The Freaky Donkey Stylie

[Prevaricator]

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The 17-1 ignores effective odds, which are pretty high given the preflop action no? The only thing you can compare 17-1 to is the odds of actually flopping a straight, which are essentially infinite for all practical considerations.

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What exactly do you mean by this?

If he's getting 17:1 odds for the other guy's stack and the other guy has a big pair for sure, he is making an inherently -EV play. The only question is by how much.