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Is there any debate?
It's folded to you in the cutoff. There's a 65% chance that at least one of the blinds will call a raise. The cutoff will cold call a raise with hands like KJo, QJo, etc., but won't re-raise without a premium pair such as QQ and up. It's unlikely, he'd even re-raise with AK.
By the way, both the cutoff and blinds play loosely and somewhat passively after the flop. That is, if they flop a pair (even top pair), they're not likely to raise a bet on the flop whether the pot is multi-way or heads-up. Can it every be better to open limp with a hand like 99,88, or 77? Or is it always more profitable to open raise? |
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Re: Is there any debate?
Raise 100% of the time. Definitely not close.
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Re: Is there any debate?
Kevin,
Your post is a little confusing as I think you mean to say "button" instead of "cutoff" in a couple of places. Anyways... [ QUOTE ] Can it every be better to open limp with a hand like 99,88, or 77? Or is it always more profitable to open raise? [/ QUOTE ] The only time that I would consider open-limping with these middle pairs is if I'm certain that the remaining players will all call regardless of whether I raise or not. Assuming that I'm in the cutoff, if I can get anyone to fold by open-raising, it is worth the investment. -- Manzanita |
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Re: Is there any debate?
I don't think there is any debate here. 35% of the time you win without a fight. At least half of the remaining 65% you should win because you have the best hand. And you have position. Raise 100%.
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Re: Is there any debate?
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The only time that I would consider open-limping with these middle pairs is if I'm certain that the remaining players will all call regardless of whether I raise or not. Assuming that I'm in the cutoff, if I can get anyone to fold by open-raising, it is worth the investment. [/ QUOTE ] Why not charge them 2 bets if they're calling anyway? 99-77 is certainly best here, and win share alone is enough to justify a raise. |
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Re: Is there any debate?
Yes, I'd always raise. Change that 65% to 80% and I'd still raise.
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Re: Is there any debate?
Make it 100% and I'm still raising, your hand stands to win way more than its fair share here.
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Re: Is there any debate?
I agree. With a smaller pocket pair 22-55, the higher the percentage of the blinds calling, the more I fold and the less I raise. I still would not limp.
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Re: Is there any debate?
Raise everytime. you get to rob their blinds a decent percentage of the time (35% from your example), they'll 3 bet a much smaller percentage of the time, and the rest of the time they'll call inferior hands while you have position on them. What more could you ask for?
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Re: Is there any debate?
Whether they'll call a raise or not, why let the button or blinds into a pot against your mid pairs for less than a raise? Especially the BB. You can't give his possible 72o a free peek at a longshot flop.
Factoring in even the few times it may be folded to you or ch-folded on the flop makes it easier. |
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