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A raised, multi-way pots observation.
This might be obvious to some but not to others so I think it's worth mentioning.
Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call. Flop: xxx A checks, B checks, C bets... Now say you have a good but not great hand. In any case, you think there exists a reasonable chance you have C beat, though you're not too sure (TPGK, for instance), and heads-up you would call. The presence of players A and B makes this a FOLD! The presence of the other players in the hand makes a marginal (or even slightly better than maringal) call into a fold, since you're fighting an uphill battle now, and should someone wake up behind with a hand, you're screwed. There's more to it than that, but I'll stop here for now. Comments? Thoughts? Kirk |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
Uh, how do you know A + B have hands? You have a marginal hand and you think the preflop aggressor is weaker than you. You are putting him on a continuation bet. This isn't a clear fold, absent a strong read on A and B, it's a clear raise! If you limp call, A + B get in for one bet with some very good odds. If they call or raise the 2 bets, now you have something to go on. Now is the time to begin thinking about getting away from your hand.
If it was heads up, it would be a raise and not a call as well. Is C making a continuation bet or does he have something? If you call, you get nowhere closer to finding out the answer. If you raise and C is weak, well you've put him in a pickle, haven't you? |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
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Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call. [/ QUOTE ] You cold-call often enough that this is "typical scenario"? |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
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[ QUOTE ] Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call. [/ QUOTE ] You cold-call often enough that this is "typical scenario"? [/ QUOTE ] after two limpers you can cold call plenty |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call. [/ QUOTE ] You cold-call often enough that this is "typical scenario"? [/ QUOTE ] after two limpers you can cold call plenty [/ QUOTE ] I would like to know what hands you cold call with preflop that can make top pair top/good kicker. |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
I don't see this as an obvious fold at all.
The first two players didn't raise, they just limped, they may not have anything. This is a raise to try to isolate the third player the vast majority of the time (unless you have a read that one or both of the first players likes to limp from early position with monster starting hands or something like that)... |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
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I don't see this as an obvious fold at all. The first two players didn't raise, they just limped, they may not have anything. This is a raise to try to isolate the third player the vast majority of the time (unless you have a read that one or both of the first players likes to limp from early position with monster starting hands or something like that)... [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Did you read the first page in SSHE "Protecting your hand" chapter? you should RAISE. |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
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(TPGK, for instance), and heads-up you would call. [/ QUOTE ] You call with top pair good kicker heads up? |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
I was about to jump in here, but you are
already being sufficiently pwn3d! -ZEN |
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Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
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Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call. Flop: xxx A checks, B checks, C bets... Now say you have a good but not great hand. In any case, you think there exists a reasonable chance you have C beat, though you're not too sure (TPGK, for instance), and heads-up you would call. The presence of players A and B makes this a FOLD! [/ QUOTE ] There are hands that put you in this situation, but not TPGK. More like Ace-high GK + BDFD or middle pair NK + BDFD. |
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