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The Peter Rus rule
Peter Rus rule: Someone raises, somebody coldcalls, and you are in the big blind and play expertly, you should defend all suited cards.
There is a Sklansky thread where he advocates the same thing with 73s. I haven't been playing limit holdem very much lately and don't have a healthy database to draw from, but my guess is I'm not making money in the most marginal spots. Now it's probably because I suck at poker, but I'd like to see if people are making money in these spots. If people checked their databases (even if you only have a small sample in this spot), I think it could generate some intersting discussion. |
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
i have been doing this for a long time. i will post my PT numbers but id suggest just filtering for trash suited hands.
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
I read the thread where peter_rus first elaborated on this point and started doing it. I have a little over 100K hands in the party 30 and more in other games following this rule but am a complete pokertracker retard. I'll post my numbers if someone explains to me like I'm a four year old how to get them.
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
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i have been doing this for a long time. i will post my PT numbers but id suggest just filtering for trash suited hands. [/ QUOTE ] i filtered for the following hands: T2s-T6s, 92s-96s, 82s-85s, 72s-75s, 62s-64s, 52s-54s, 42s-43s, 32s. 3 players seeing a flop, in the big blind, put money in (VPIPed) (0.36) BB/hand, so +.14 from folding. |
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
No fair counting hands that can make straights. We want to know if the worst of the worst is winning. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
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[ QUOTE ] i have been doing this for a long time. i will post my PT numbers but id suggest just filtering for trash suited hands. [/ QUOTE ] i filtered for the following hands: T2s-T6s, 92s-96s, 82s-85s, 72s-75s, 62s-64s, 52s-54s, 42s-43s, 32s. 3 players seeing a flop, in the big blind, put money in (VPIPed) (0.36) BB/hand, so +.14 from folding. [/ QUOTE ] did you also choose a raised pot? i filtered for all suited hands in a raised pot with 3+ players seeing the flop, and only got 203 trials for a 125k database (this is from full ring 15/30 and 30/60) |
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
i think people may be putting words in peters mouth. in the thread where i think this rule originated, peter presented strong evidence that the worst suited hands were not always profitable.
heres the first filter: Q7s-,J7s-,T7s-, 96s-, 85s-,74s-,63s-,52s,42s,32s: 3 way flop: total hands 381, -0.33bb/h, W$WSF 19%, wtSD 23.48, w$SD 55.06%. 4+ way flop: total hands 383, -0.31bb/h, W$WSF 14.66%, wtSD 23.04, w$SD 52.27% even at this sample size it looks clear that this group of hands is +EV on average. but of course that doesnt mean each of the hands is +EV. heres a 2nd filter from the same thread: I try to move out Q's and J's from that list and here are results: 3-way: 216 hands,-0.57bb/h 4+-way: 224 hands, -0.27bb/h Of course the sample size here is small. but with the group losing money on average it seems unlikely all the hands are +EV. in this post peter wrote: Looks like i can safely remove most trashy suited hands from defending 3-way especially when original raiser is UTG-MP and very likely to have overpair one last filter from the thread, suited trash ( T2s 92s 82s 72s T3s 93s 83s 73s T4s 94s 84s ) 3-way: 109 hands, -0.62bb/h 4+-way: 116 hands, -0.35bb/h |
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
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T2s-T6s, 92s-96s, 82s-85s, 72s-75s, 62s-64s, 52s-54s, 42s-43s, 32s. 3 players seeing a flop, in the big blind, put money in (VPIPed) [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't PT count hands where you post in late position as being the big blind? |
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i have been doing this for a long time. i will post my PT numbers but id suggest just filtering for trash suited hands. [/ QUOTE ] i filtered for the following hands: T2s-T6s, 92s-96s, 82s-85s, 72s-75s, 62s-64s, 52s-54s, 42s-43s, 32s. 3 players seeing a flop, in the big blind, put money in (VPIPed) (0.36) BB/hand, so +.14 from folding. [/ QUOTE ] did you also choose a raised pot? i filtered for all suited hands in a raised pot with 3+ players seeing the flop, and only got 203 trials for a 125k database (this is from full ring 15/30 and 30/60) [/ QUOTE ] yes i chose raised pots for those hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: The Peter Rus rule
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[ QUOTE ] T2s-T6s, 92s-96s, 82s-85s, 72s-75s, 62s-64s, 52s-54s, 42s-43s, 32s. 3 players seeing a flop, in the big blind, put money in (VPIPed) [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't PT count hands where you post in late position as being the big blind? [/ QUOTE ] i have no idea...if this is true, then i cant imagine much of a difference, because i rarely post in the CO |
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