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aces all the way
7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter)
3rd Street - (0.88 SB) Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___folds Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes___raises Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___folds 4th Street - (8.38 SB) Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls 5th Street - (5.19 BB) Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls 6th Street - (7.19 BB) Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls River - (9.19 BB) Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___??? Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___ Total pot: (9.19 BB) Who bets this river and why? |
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Re: aces all the way
Bet the river.
(1)He's not likely to have a straight.A 9 & a J are already gone so he had to hit a 3 card draw to make it. (2)If he has only 1 pair he is likely to call you for the size of the pot. (3)He can't raise unless his hand can beat A's up(not likely),so you can fold comfortably to a raise. (4)If you check,he's not going to bluff at it,because he knows you will like call with a pair of A's because of the pot size. |
#3
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Re: aces all the way
that is a very complete answer... thanks
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Re: aces all the way
I don't see any value in betting the river. There is no shame showing down Aces that didn't improve. You're risking two bets to get one, and I don't think they will favor out in the long run, unless you're playing in a very loose game and you know you'll get called just to prove it.
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Re: aces all the way
I'd say given his passivity throughout the hand and his board, he's unlikely to have a hand which beats a pair of aces, and it's very unlikely he can beat aces up. Assuming he's a typical player, he won't raise on the river with two pair, but he will probably bet if you check, and I assume you will always call a bet if you check the river. He will also probably call the river with a pair. This means that you lose an extra bet every time he has two pair, regardless of whether you check or bet, but if you bet, you gain a bet when he doesn't. And as was said, if you're raised, it's an easy fold, so if he improves to trips, you still lose only one bet.
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Re: aces all the way
Easy bet. Like others have said, he will check behind unimproved but bet when he makes two pairs. Don’t let him do that.
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Re: aces all the way
One thing to consider is that his cards for improvement are fairly dead.. (His Q, T, and 7 are all in your hand.) This makes it harder for him to improve. Value betting here is the sign of a good player. |
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Re: aces all the way
I don't think this is an easy bet for these reasons. Villain could easily bet 1 pair, trips or better and check 2pair!!
Call only with 2 pair And only raise with trips or better. (notice this is similar to the heads up on the river in TOP) This may sound like a good creative player, but there do seem to be some donks who stumble into this strategy. I think the thought process on the river goes like this -checked to with pair of queens- guess he really was bluffing at me and if he wasn't he'll still probably fold. -checked to with 2 pair- I don't want to feel like a fool when he check raises me with aces up. -bet at with 2 pair- he probably hit his aces up, i'll call -bet at with trips or better- I've got him, raise. If this is your player than checking your aces everytime is the profitable play since you lose a bet when you bet unimproved aces into his unimproved queens Vs. the always bet river and fold to a raise method. Further, what happens if 1 in 10 times (or more) he raises with his unimproved queens, not so much as a though out strategy, but just 1 in 10 times gets the 'gut feeling' he can bet you off or just feels like he's the man from time to time? The bet and fold to a raise strategy starts to lose some more money. So I guess my point is, even against weak players in a party or pacific 2/4 game, you still need a good read on players to know how best to play marginal hands on the river, or more likely, how to get 4 people to call a capped river when you've made your aces full. |
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Re: aces all the way
I don’t want hijack your thread, but this fits in nicely I think.
My opponent is somewhat loose (but not terrible) and a bit passive but liable to re-raise on 3rd or at least 5th with a premium pair. I was planning to fold to a raise - haven’t ever seen him do anything fancy. 7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter) 3rd Street - (0.75 SB) Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 4: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes Seat 8: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (3.25 SB) Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets 5th Street - (2.63 BB) Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets 6th Street - (4.63 BB) Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets River - (6.63 BB) Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___calls Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Total pot: (8.63 BB) Results: Main Pot: $33 | Rake: $1.50 |
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Re: aces all the way
I like it.
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