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At 1/2 I am a 13% VPIP over 18k hands. I posted about 2 months ago about a downswing I was having and one of the general consenses was I needed to loosen up a little preflop. Additional I saw similar other threads where the message was pretty much the same. 18% seems to be the accepted norm for solid preflop play.
So I actively made an effort to search out more spots to play. And 6k hands after I made this effort my VPIP is - 14%! And that was with playing hands I normally fold (with horrid results on most of them) So I thought I would go over a preflop session of mine, maybe someone can point out something I am missing. I bolded what I consider questionable plays. 1: BB: 53o - 3 callers. I check 2. SB: K4o - UTG+1 raises. 3 callers. I fold 3. But: - 34o - fold 4. CO: 54o - fold 5. MP2: 53s - fold 6. MP1: K7o - fold 7. UTG+2: 73o - fold 8. UTG+1: 33 - fold 9. UTG: ATo - fold 10. BB: 83o - 3 callers. Check 11. SB: 96s - 5 callers. I call 12. But: KTs - UTG raises. 2 callers. I cold-call. BB 3-bets. UTG caps. 2 callers. I cold call again. 13. CO: K9s - MP1 raises. 1 caller. I fold 14. MP2: 72s - fold 15. MP1: J2s - fold 16. UTG+1 - 32o - fold 17. UTG: 95s - fold 18. UTG: J5o - fold (UTG twice in a row since seat to left sat back in) 19. BB: 82o - check 20. SB: K2o - fold 21. But: 72o - fold 22. CO: 95s - fold 23. MP2: Q3o - fold 24. MP1: 75s - fold 25. UTG+1: 84s - fold At this point I notice the guy 3 seats to my right is pretty much winning 60% of all the hands. He plays every hand and bets every single flop and rarely folds. This doesnt fare well for me as everytime I play on a table with a maniac I get the snot pounded out of me. I think about leaving the table but with about 40% seeing the flop and a decent pot average of 6-7bb, I decide to stay around. 26. UTG: A7o - fold 27. BB: A5s - 3 callers. Check. check fold ace high flop when maniac bets and is reraised by button. He shows A5, button shows A4 28. SB: Q2o - fold 29. But: 55 - Only maniac calls. I call - with only one caller I normally fold this. 30. CO: Q7o - fold 31. MP3: 93s - fold 32. MP2: 64o - fold 33. MP1: AQs - folded to me. I raise. Maniac calls from BB. Final board is AAK24 - maniac of course shows AK 34. UTG+2: J5s - fold 35. UTG+2: K6o - fold 36. BB: A6o - 2 late callers - check. 37. SB: 92o - fold 38. But: QTo - 2 callers. CO raises. I fold 39. CO: K3o - fold 40. MP3: 42s - fold 41. MP2: T2o - fold Maniac sits out. 42. UTG+2: 65s - fold 43. UTG: J2o - fold 44. BB: J3o - every folds to me - I WIN A HAND! 45. SB: AJo - folded to me. I raise. BB calls with K6o and flops his full house 46. But: 53o - fold 47. CO: 72o - fold 48. MP2: T5s - fold 49. MP1: Q9o - fold 50. UTG+1: 52o - fold 51. UTG: 93o - fold 52. SB: 53o - fold 53: But: KJo - 1 poster. I caller. I call. Blinds call. I decide to mimic the maniac and bluff at the all low flop and win my second hand! 54. CO: J5o - fold 55. MP2: T8o - fold 56. MP1: K7s - Folded to me. I fold 57. UTG+1: 72o - fold 58. UTG+1: K6o - fold 59. UTG: 73o - fold 60. BB: 83o - 1 caller. I check 61. SB: T7o - fold 62. But: T8o - fold Maniac sits back in. 63. CO: J5s - fold 64. MP2: 97o - fold 65. MP2: Q3o - fold 66. MP1: 42o - fold 67. UTG+1: 94o - fold 68. UTG: T7o - fold 69. BB: KQs - 1 caller. MP2 raises. Maniac calls. I call. 70. SB: QTo - 2 callers. I call 71. But: Q7o - fold 72. CO: Q2o - fold 73. MP2: 42o - fold 74. MP1: T7o - fold 75. UTG+1: A9o - I decide to tilt off a raise. Folded to maniac in BB. I bet the empty flop and turn. He calls down with Q8o and catches his 8 on the river. 76. UTG: 32o - fold VPIP for session: 11.84 Total for session: (-23BB) - My wife shakes her head at me becuase she knows the results of playing with a maniac before I even tell her. And just for fun. Maniac results VPIP - 90%. W$WSF - 54%. Amount won - 20 BB, which was about 30BB about 4 hands previous to me leaving table. Rock on my left (see hand 45) VPIP: 14% W$SD: 100% Amount won - 25 BB And my struggles continue. My graph for the last 6k hands looks like a perfect skiing mountain. Every time I post a nice win or series of wins, a huge losing session follows, like the one posted above. |
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My VPIP for 1/2 is about 21%.
Only two. 9) - Call. 53) - I raise. Rest seems standard. |
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hand 27:
I lead into the maniac and hope for a raise to clear the field. If we get HU I call down. hand 29: I raise pf and call down vs the maniac here, betting if checked to. hand 33: I hope you lost a ton here vs a maniac. hand 69: I reraise for value here. nice table. |
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8. UTG+1: 33 - fold
9. UTG: ATo - fold these 2 i look at together as they are both borderline, really dependent on table conditions if you think your calling with 33 will get 5+ players limping in a majority of the time then call it, but regardless there is very little difference in +ev call or fold ATo if the table is very weak/tight then you can raise or maybe call, most of the time (90%+) folding is correct. altho again i doubt there is THAT much relative difference in +ev, particularly when you get the chance to outplay postflop 12. But: KTs - UTG raises. 2 callers. I cold-call. BB 3-bets. UTG caps. 2 callers. I cold call again. i would be much more likely to do this with JTs or even T9s, high card value isnt worth anything here so i think you need the straight possibilities to make it play multiway. that said you dont know its gonna be capped so its not the worst play. i think i probably fold here most of the time tho 29. But: 55 - Only maniac calls. I call - with only one caller I normally fold this. calling is the worst possible option here, even with the added implied odds from an aggro postflop player. raise to isolate or just let it go 27. BB: A5s - 3 callers. Check. check fold ace high flop when maniac bets and is reraised by button. He shows A5, button shows A4 would have to see this in more detail but it looks like you should be leading here 53: But: KJo - 1 poster. I caller. I call. Blinds call. I decide to mimic the maniac and bluff at the all low flop and win my second hand! what are the callers stats? you should probably be finding the raise button preflop here, both for equity and to make the blinds pay to see 75. UTG+1: A9o - I decide to tilt off a raise. Folded to maniac in BB. I bet the empty flop and turn. He calls down with Q8o and catches his 8 on the river. terrible... lay down preflop. if ur tilting leave the table i expect you are probably more experienced than myself, but i would suggest that overall your preflop stats here are cold (you arent getting much love from the deck) but solid. that means that if you are losing money the vast majority is probably coming from your postflop action another point tho is that the KJo and 55 hand are both perfect blind steal situations that you missed, so even with a small sample this is quite possibly an area for improvement. in late positions you just have to stay aggressive on the blinds or you will bleed to death at 1/2 |
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12. (CC with KTs) I think the CC is bad. You're likely to be dominated. I'll CC JTs before KTs.
33. (AQ on AAK flop) Don't fear the worst. You'll have the best hand a majority of the time. 45. (AJ vs K6 and FH) How much did you spend here? Just because you raise pre-flop doesn't mean you have to see showdown. 53. (KJo) I would raise this. 56. (K7s) Why would you play this? I'll raise it on the button first-in, but not in MP. Bad run of cards. You didn't miss many (or any) opportunites to increase your VP$IP here. |
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If you want to get your VPIP up play 6 max. Lots of these hands become playable (given the right circumstances) there, the players suck, and it helps your reading skills.
Steve |
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12. (CC with KTs) I think the CC is bad. You're likely to be dominated. I'll CC JTs before KTs. [/ QUOTE ] Thats why it was bolded so I could get opinions. I didnt really like the cold call either. [ QUOTE ] 33. (AQ on AAK flop) Don't fear the worst. You'll have the best hand a majority of the time. [/ QUOTE ] I have been accused of MUB many times. While maniac like to bet out, he would call down most times he was reraised. Figuring my hand was good, I called a flop and turn bet and waited till the river to reraise. Poorly played by me IMO. [ QUOTE ] 45. (AJ vs K6 and FH) How much did you spend here? Just because you raise pre-flop doesn't mean you have to see showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Bet flop, Bet turn blank, Bet river blank and stupidly called his reraise on the river. At that point I didnt have a good read on him and the table had been folding alot when the maniac was betting so I thought I could push him off and possibly still have the best hand. 53. (KJo) I would raise this. [ QUOTE ] 56. (K7s) Why would you play this? I'll raise it on the button first-in, but not in MP. [/ QUOTE ] Possible blind steal as my image had to be pretty rockish. I thought better of it but wanted opinions [ QUOTE ] Bad run of cards. You didn't miss many (or any) opportunites to increase your VP$IP here. [/ QUOTE ] Sadly this isnt a bad run of cards for me, its pretty much the normal night. Other night in 70 hands I got dealt 32 and 52 nine times. Thats the reason I picked this session to post becuase it was fairly average night. I might post another session but I dont want to go overboard with this idea. |
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If you want to get your VPIP up play 6 max. Lots of these hands become playable (given the right circumstances) there, the players suck, and it helps your reading skills. Steve [/ QUOTE ] I have tried 6 max. Got killed. I am terribly unlucky at the shorthanded game as my opponents seem to just get smacked over the head with the deck every time I sit down. When I get out of my current downswing (which doesnt seem wil ever happen) and get some confidence back I intend to go back though. |
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56. (K7s) Why would you play this? I'll raise it on the button first- [/ QUOTE ] he folded it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I agree with the raising 55 from L.P. and KJo. They are good short handed. I think the rest is good. I would have lead with the Pair of aces (A5s hand) also. Playing against maniacs is difficult, but when they are very loose, they are going in with dominated and other inferior hands, which will put you in a very good position post-flop. Make sure to get a better seat ( the the left of the maniac ) on him so you can isolate and take his money. And nice table. |
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If you're having confidence issues, then drop down a level and live a little. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Poker players strive to eliminate luck from the games in which we play. Every decision has an expected value regardless of what actually happens next. Stay on the good side and the luck will take care of itself. |
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