Fold for one bet on river?

[silkyslim]

3 bettor is a LAG, other guy is a fish. Comment on all streets


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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises , 1 fold , MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 3-bets , 3 folds , BB calls, Hero caps , MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets , MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises , BB folds, Hero 3-bets , MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (15.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets , MP1 calls, MP3 raises , Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (21.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets , Hero ???.



Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero has Qh Qs (one pair, queens).
MP1 has Kc Th (one pair, tens).
MP3 has Jc Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 24.75 BB. </font>

[Nick Royale]

Don't post the results. But no, we can't assume the fish got helped by the A. And the LAG raised before the A hit. We absolutely can't assume we're being behind over 95% of the time here. And it's not close IMO.

[jason_t]

imo the river didn't change anything. Easy call.

[Webster]

Easy call on the river. Sure you might lose but you have enough invested already and you still look like ou have best hand.

[olavfo]

Hero knows he can't be a 23 : 1 underdog and calls.

[SenecaJim]

A must call. The pot demands it. THe play demands it. The type of players involved demands it. And yes, a good night's sleep demands it.

[MyTurn2Raise]

Preflop: good stuff-Cap w QQ, because you're very likely ahead of the LAG, you're definitely ahead of the fish, and it's standard.

Flop: An argument could be made for c/r plan. LAG will most likely bet the flop and you can make it 2 cold to the other MPs. Betting out is a fine option. You will not get too many folds, but your pot equity is good and a free turn would be disasterous. 3-Betting is standard, make those sucker MPs pay to draw out. You're most likely ahead of the LAG.

Turn: I'm equally as likely to 3-bet as call the raise here. It depends on the type of LAG and what notes you have on the player. Will the LAG semi-bluff the turn? Does the LAG try to buy pots, even when others have shown strength? With no notes, I just call as you did. I put villian LAG on range of (AA-99 is likely, AK-AT somewhat less likely)

River: check/call. I'm very scared MP1 hit an ace. The LAG might have been ahead already. However, the pot is freaking fabulous, ie huge.

[cpk]

Nothing wrong with a check/call here, as you're easily good 5% of the time. In fact, that's precisely why you check, because you don't want to have to figure out what to do if opponent raises. Opponent is a maniac and there's not much chance of him checking through.