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Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
Is tough JJ hand redundant?
I thought this was an interesting away-from-the-table analysis problem that would help everyone make a better decision in this marginal situation. CO is 54/19/1.7 and does not 3-bet lightly; other two are VPIP > 30-40, fairly passive. PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls. Flop: (16.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (15.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $1.25 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB calls, Hero? What is your line here and why? |
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
Oops, I those stats are for the button, not the CO. Button is a LAG, but doesn't 3-bet lightly. CO is loose-passive.
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
Shameless bump. C'mon, 80 views and no answers?
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
Pot size is too big for me to fold, I am also closing the action so I wont be raised again.
is that a leaK? |
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
i'd fold on the turn.
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
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i'd fold on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] me too. You have a loose passive capping the flop, and the Button who doesn't 3-bet lightly, and an ace on the turn. This does not look good for JJ. You are getting like 20:2 on the turn and I think you are behind close to 100% of the time... fold it and move on. |
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
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Pot size is too big for me to fold, I am also closing the action so I wont be raised again. is that a leaK? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it's a leak. I wanted to post an example where folding in a big pot is correct. Once the A hits, you are behind to the vast majority of holdings here. You probably need another J to win, and even then you can lose to the straight, so even in this big pot, even though you are closing the action, you need to fold. I guess I'm the only one who found this interesting. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Ed Miller likes to say folding for one bet in a large pot is wrong, but a lot of people don't notice that he always talks about pot size. He doesn't advocate blindly calling in large pots. This is a case where the pot size is not quite large enough to call. You probably need it to be around 23-24 BB. |
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
Fold turn
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
I really dont see this situation as marginal. Its about as clear cut as they come. Folding the turn is the only way to play this hand.
-Mike |
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Re: Hand quiz: Tough JJ overpair hand four-way
Marginal != fuzzy. I mean it is right on the border between call and fold, but it is a clear fold if you are not seduced by the size of the pot.
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