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i've only been at the table for 2 orbits, but it's one of the ones where everyone folds to an early raise preflop(18% table vpip). i haven't seen too much out of the button. he has low stats but over 2 orbits that doens't mean very much.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, 1 fold</font>, MP1 raises</font>, 3 folds</font>, Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds</font>, Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, Button calls. Flop: (13.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)</font> Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, Button calls. Turn: (8.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font> Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, Button raises</font>. I ??? |
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You NEVER EVER EVER EVER limp KK preflop ESPECIALLY if teh table is tight and you let marginal hands see a cheap flop. Not only is your hand undefined but you are more prone to make mistakes which I am sure you did. Change tables if it's too tight, don't start trying to generate action. I would just call down and hope I'm against AQc. If the six or nine pair on the river I am tempted to bet/call the river.
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You NEVER EVER EVER EVER limp KK preflop ESPECIALLY if teh table is tight and you let marginal hands see a cheap flop. Not only is your hand undefined but you are more prone to make mistakes which I am sure you did. Change tables if it's too tight, don't start trying to generate action. I would just call down and hope I'm against AQc. If the six or nine pair on the river I am tempted to bet/call the river. [/ QUOTE ] |
#4
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K. Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, Button calls. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to tell you man, but most of the responses you get will be about this. However. I call the turn, c/c the river. JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] |
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for what it's worth, there was also a fair amount of raising going on at the table and i felt reasonably certain that i'd be raised if i limped (table pre-flop raise 12%). this is also a play that i never really do, but i'd already had a couple really good hands (AA,etc.) and i figured i'd mix it up. still i think you've got a good point. the thing i was really wondering about here was what, given the possible range of hands he would raise with on the turn, i should do on the turn. i think that if he'd had AQ he'd have raised on the flop in order to define his hand against me, the pre-flop limp-capper. the play i a pulled almost invariably does define my hand as KK or AA and therefore waiting to raise with AQ would be a really weak play. i actually thought he either had made a set of Jacks already had a set of queens or had KK (of which there is only one) or AA.
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eh, whatever. i was unsure it about it when i did it. figured i should try one of those plays they tell you to do every so often, in the books.
and that's what i did. he had AA. |
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if you're ever going to mix it up in a 5/10 game with KK, don't start by limping utg. this is just disaster waiting to happen.
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Sorry to tell you man, but most of the responses you get will be about this. However. I call the turn, c/c the river. [/ QUOTE ] The above sounds right, except I check/fold if an Ace lands on the river. |
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Well, table selection may be an issue, but this is exactly where and how you should be LRRing. The idea that you can't "afford" to let marginal hands see a cheap flop is pretty marginal in itself.
That said, this is the worst possible board you could see. Check call it down. |
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eh, whatever. i was unsure it about it when i did it. figured i should try one of those plays they tell you to do every so often, in the books. and that's what i did. he had AA. [/ QUOTE ] I think that's no limit tournament books( cloutier's actually) terrible to do in limit |
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