Top pair good kicker on suited flop

steveyz · #1 10-06-2005, 10:48 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 6 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero ???

What's the plan?

UTG+1 is weak tight, 20/7/0.65 over 110 hands
MP1 is a bit loose and very aggressive, 25/11/5.5 over 90 hands

Ian J · #2 10-06-2005, 11:05 PM

I 3 bet here and keep firing. If MP1 caps I probably still lead a non club turn. If UTG+1 ever raises I think it's a safe fold.

ihardlyknowher · #3 10-07-2005, 12:51 AM

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Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 6 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero ???

What's the plan?

UTG+1 is weak tight, 20/7/0.65 over 110 hands
MP1 is a bit loose and very aggressive, 25/11/5.5 over 90 hands

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I would make it 3 and lead turn. I am definitely not folding if there is no 4th [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

stigmata · #4 10-07-2005, 09:15 AM

My standard play is calling and donking a safe turn. Our equity isnt great (we could even be dead) so I prefer to refrain from jamming the pot on the flop.

mc1023 · #5 10-07-2005, 10:06 AM

although you don't have many hands on MP1 but it's quite clear that he's playing very aggressive during the session this hand took place in.

IMO, I would not 3bet in this spot because you are going to get capped here way too often on quite a vulnerable hand.

ALSO, if you were to just call here and bet the turn against an opponnent this aggressive they are going to pop you again for a free showdown or incase they hit.

so my default line here is CALL the flop, and checkraise the turn on a blank and if I get 3betted its an easy fold and if you don't get 3betted you are charging them the maximum for their draw.

AviD · #6 10-07-2005, 10:22 AM

I like an alternate line here in smooth calling the raise and checkraising any non-club turn and check-folding any club turn.

3-betting only jacks the pot up, and with UTG+1 being weak tight, a turn CR is your best bet to get him to fold a club you would otherwise not want to see the river. MP1 being a bit loose and very agg could be raising any ace here and you will have a better idea of where you stand on the turn. If he 3-bets I think you are dead to a set or made flush and have an easy fold. If he calls, I probably check/call the river hoping to induce a bet from a missed flush draw or a weaker ace. This is a spot I don't want to pay off a river raise or open myself up to a river bluff raise from a very aggressive player...not to mention if he has some two pair A8/A5 that he may not bet on the river after getting CRed on the turn. If you spike a non-club Q, bet and call a raise.

My .02