Abortion = less crime?

Egocide, you keep saying that we should admit that 1.5 million people may be being killed via abortions because life may start at conception. The official doctrine of the Catholic church is that contraception is wrong because you are cutting off a potential life. So I assume that you are going to concede that we may be killing off many more millions than that and that all contraception should be banned. And why should we stop at the Catholic church's line? Why not call it a killing anytime a wife tells her husband that she doesn't want to tonight because she has a headache? That could've become a life, right?

Call me crazy, but since it's impossible to all agree on what the line is, how about letting the person who is the owner of their own body decide.

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This should be easy to prove. Look at the number of poor/black males in say 1985 compared to 1995. Less poor/black = less crime.

[Meech]

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Just answer the question. When does life begin.

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Are you suggesting that the sperm and egg are dead and only come to life when combined?

The cancer that is killed by chemo is life. The fat sucked out of your body using lipo is life. The snots you pick out of your nose is life.

When you jerk off into a napkin, you are killing life. Every sperm is sacred, you know...

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Just reading Freakonomics and I find it very interesting. The author talked about the decline in crime since 1995. A lot of people attribute it to better police enforcement or the better economy of the late 1990s. But the author claims it was due to Roe v Wade in 1972. Those babies from that time would be hitting their crime peak about now - and the women who seek abortions are more likely to come from an environemt that would tend to produce criminals.

Great analysis IMO.

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Do they control for other causes of lower birth rates? There has been a decrease in birth rates, but I don't know much of that is due to abortion and how much is due to societal changes (more working women, beter birth control, etc.)

[etgryphon]

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Every sperm is sacred, you know...

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Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

-Gryph

Had to do it...

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Just answer the question. When does life begin.


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Dude. You're 18 years old. Get some play under your belt and come back here later with the wisdom that some questions don't have answers.

Basically what everyone has said is that we don't know where the line is. So the suggestion they make is that we err on the side of what could be murder.


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Why not call it a killing anytime a wife tells her husband that she doesn't want to tonight because she has a headache? That could've become a life, right?


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Come on, dont split hairs with me.

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The cancer that is killed by chemo is life

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Cancer is not life, it is a term for uncontrolled cell division.

And I think you really missed the point, that Egocide is specifically referring to a human being. When does a human become a human? When the sperm meets the egg? Or when it takes its first gasp of air? Or where in between? His implication is that when sperm meets egg, it starts becoming a human being, and therefore, is a human being, and that by killing it, you are killing a human being, which is wrong.

[Stu Pidasso]

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Why not call it a killing anytime a wife tells her husband that she doesn't want to tonight because she has a headache? That could've become a life, right?


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Regarding Catholics.

Its actually a sin for a wife to refuse to have sex with her husband and vice versa. There are exceptions of course for things like illness, menstration, extreme exhuastion, etc, but in general if your partner wants you to put out and you reasonably can, you have an obligation to do so.

Stu

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How many unwanted children have you adopted? I would have a lot more respect for the anti-abortion crowd if they offered to adopt all these unwanted children. Instead, all I see is a bunch of "get-me-on-TV" picketing and a lot of threats and fulfilled threats to kill doctors who perform abortions.

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Don't people in this country travel to places like Romania and South East Asia to find children they can adopt? Your point might have some validity if there weren't 20 couples willing to adopt for every available infant(National Committee for Adoption).

Stu