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#21
09-18-2005, 05:19 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
I have no idea what he has as no hand makes sense here. KQ is check/raising the flop since your PFR could be a wide range of hands. Against someone who is on AA-99/AK-AT/KQ-KJ I could see playing it this way, but when you start tossing hands like 88 and QT into the mix it becomes a clear flop check/raise IMO.
His turn play reeks of a big hand though since this turn will get checked through from time to time. I just don't understand what type of big hand will check/call the flop though. QTs is the only hand that I can think of that might be able to pull off this move. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Way off again? Brad 
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#22
09-18-2005, 06:34 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
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Given this new info, and the fact you'd play KQ this way, I think he should call the river. Since you did not lead on the flop, it's unlikely that Jason has a flush draw. People tend to check to the raiser, and you would rather trap the field for bets instead of facing everyone with 2 cold. Also, you cold call on the flop, which means you aren't trying to protect your hand. It seems like you're waiting for a safe turn card, or are on a draw. I think you have: J9s QTs JJ 99 66 KQ All these hands make sense from PF to river. Given these card combos, you have KQ 50% of the time. River call is fine. Someone correct me if I missed something. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Open up my preflop hand range a bit. My preflop play doesn't necessarily have to make sense in this spot.
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#23
09-18-2005, 06:36 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
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I have no idea what he has as no hand makes sense here. KQ is check/raising the flop since your PFR could be a wide range of hands. Against someone who is on AA-99/AK-AT/KQ-KJ I could see playing it this way, but when you start tossing hands like 88 and QT into the mix it becomes a clear flop check/raise IMO. His turn play reeks of a big hand though since this turn will get checked through from time to time. I just don't understand what type of big hand will check/call the flop though. QTs is the only hand that I can think of that might be able to pull off this move. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Way off again? Brad [/ QUOTE ] I would only 3bet this flop with a very very strong hand, because there's almost no chance the other two opponents were going to fold for two more bets. Make sure you note that the flop action was actually BB bets, one caller, Donkey raises, I call, others call. FWIW I think I played the flop and turn very well.
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#24
09-18-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
you guys saying "given that he would play KQ this way its a call....blah blah blah" are wrong. First of all, he wouldnt play KQ this way,I know he said he did, he lied. 2nd of all, even if he would, his range is way bigger than KQ and hes probably not gonna fold to a river raise vs a friend.
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#25
09-18-2005, 07:39 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
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you guys saying "given that he would play KQ this way its a call....blah blah blah" are wrong. First of all, he wouldnt play KQ this way,I know he said he did, he lied. 2nd of all, even if he would, his range is way bigger than KQ and hes probably not gonna fold to a river raise vs a friend. [/ QUOTE ] I would play KQ like this. The bolded point is important.
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#26
09-18-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
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[ QUOTE ] you guys saying "given that he would play KQ this way its a call....blah blah blah" are wrong. First of all, he wouldnt play KQ this way,I know he said he did, he lied. 2nd of all, even if he would, his range is way bigger than KQ and hes probably not gonna fold to a river raise vs a friend. [/ QUOTE ] I would play KQ like this. The bolded point is important. [/ QUOTE ] stop lying plz
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#27
09-18-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
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First of all, he wouldnt play KQ this way,I know he said he did, he lied. [/ QUOTE ] This doesn't make sense. If he says to include a hand combo into his hand range, we have to include it. I never thought KQ would make sense in my original post, but since Justin said it is possible, we have to believe him. [ QUOTE ] 2nd of all, even if he would, his range is way bigger than KQ and hes probably not gonna fold to a river raise vs a friend. [/ QUOTE ] This does make sense. Tha hand range I gave was probably too small. If we include a few more hands that could make 2 pair, we should raise the river.
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#28
09-18-2005, 08:52 PM
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Order of the turn and river cards doesn't matter all that much, but the flop action definitely matters. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? How does the order not matter? If the board really did come down J96 - 8 - T, then i'm raising this river every time.
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#29
09-18-2005, 11:19 PM
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Re: Live hand vs Justin A
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[ QUOTE ] Order of the turn and river cards doesn't matter all that much, but the flop action definitely matters. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? How does the order not matter? If the board really did come down J96 - 8 - T, then i'm raising this river every time. [/ QUOTE ] wow, yeah thats a good point. see guys, i told you he doesnt play KQ this way.
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#30
09-19-2005, 03:14 AM
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Wow yeah I screwed up the flop in the post as bad as I screwed up the river in the hand. But the ten was on the turn, I was open ended for sure. My river play was just awful, when I wrote the post and looked at it it was just painful. Glad NLSoldier and a few others were here to say so. Justin had 96s and yeah he played it good.
-DeathDonkey
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