99 and villan c/3bets the flop

mjohnson406 · #1 09-12-2005, 03:03 PM

Villian here is 35/13/.94 over 50ish hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, Hero...

this screams trip 6s but should I peel one off and pray for a 9 on the turn or just give it up here?

Bodhi · #2 09-12-2005, 03:16 PM

If this villain had a 6 he would be more likely to check-raise the turn than 3-bet the flop. Cap the flop and see what he does on the turn.

Also, this is a must-raise preflop.

sy_or_bust · #3 09-12-2005, 03:18 PM

Raise preflop. As you played it, cap the flop. UTG+1 likely holds a worse PP. If not, you'll find out on the turn.

#4 09-12-2005, 03:20 PM

You must raise this preflop. It will make this hand about 100 times easier to play, and you will have a much better idea of where you are at when you get raised.

The way you played it I am calling it down

-Jonny C

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@bsolute_luck · #5 09-12-2005, 04:19 PM

i'm interesting in results (i like to be result-oriented [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] ) this screams "doofus with AA" or maybe 22. doubting a 6 at this point.

i'm with the other posters: might as well cap the flop because you're getting bet into on the turn if you don't anyways.

W. Deranged · #6 09-12-2005, 04:23 PM

I think this check-raise is at least as likely to be a spade draw as it is to be a 6.

I'm probably capping the flop and betting the turn, probably folding to a turn check-raise. You simply do not have enough reliable information yet to fold this hand. Sure, it appears your opponent is passive, but he also plays a fair number of hands, raises quite a bit pre-flop, and you have a small sample size. He may well be capable of check-raising with a draw here.

Also, I agree with all previous comments that you should raise this pre-flop.

molawn2mo · #7 09-12-2005, 04:24 PM

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If this villain had a 6 he would be more likely to check-raise the turn than 3-bet the flop. Cap the flop and see what he does on the turn.

Also, this is a must-raise preflop.

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Villian here is 35/13/.94 over 50ish hands

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, Hero...

this screams trip 6s but should I peel one off and pray for a 9 on the turn or just give it up here?

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fwiw, i think that limping is payable. you can play this for set value by limping and maybe gain info if it is raised behind you. raising may buy you the button but having the button here may not be that important. i do not think that it is a "clear" raise preflop.

since hero's hand will be best unless villain contains a 6 or is 22, spade spade being another potential holding with 88/77 being possible, this feels like a bet/fold (unimproved) on the turn and a check behind on the river (unimproved) type hand.

@bsolute_luck · #8 09-12-2005, 04:26 PM

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this feels like a bet/fold (unimproved) on the turn

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what do you mean? after capping the flop? or call here and...oh no i've gone cross-eyed! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] could you explain this line please.

W. Deranged · #9 09-12-2005, 04:27 PM

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If this villain had a 6 he would be more likely to check-raise the turn than 3-bet the flop. Cap the flop and see what he does on the turn.

Also, this is a must-raise preflop.

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Villian here is 35/13/.94 over 50ish hands

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, Hero...

this screams trip 6s but should I peel one off and pray for a 9 on the turn or just give it up here?

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fwiw, i think that limping is payable. you can play this for set value by limping and maybe gain info if it is raised behind you. raising may buy you the button but having the button here may not be that important. i do not think that it is a "clear" raise preflop.

since hero's hand will be best unless villain contains a 6 or is 22, spade spade being another potential holding with 88/77 being possible, this feels like a bet/fold (unimproved) on the turn and a check behind on the river (unimproved) type hand.

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My only comment about pre-flop play here is that I think for everyone here raising TT and certainly JJ is absolutely automatic. 99 is obviously only a slight downgrade from TT, has quite a bit of showdown value, and plays much better short-handed and in position.

Obviously you can't keep saying "oh, well xx is only slightly worse than yy so if we raise yy we have to raise xx," because eventually we'll be saying we need to raise 22. But 99 and, in my opinion, 88 and 77 all have enough value to merit a raise here.

molawn2mo · #10 09-12-2005, 04:29 PM

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this feels like a bet/fold (unimproved) on the turn

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what do you mean? after capping the flop? or call here and...oh no i've gone cross-eyed! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] could you explain this line please.

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sorry... my bad. i lean toward capping the flop then calling down if villain leads the turn/river and bet/folding if he check raises the turn.