$5-10 QQ bad river - Page 2

Solid_p · #11 08-28-2005, 07:48 PM

I would check, call. Getting raised here would suck big. Check and let him bluff at it. I think you would be good here enough of the time to make it +EV.

MyTurn2Raise · #12 08-28-2005, 08:03 PM

With no read on the player...I bet. What could he have? Did he cold call with no other limpers with a jack? AJs is a possibility I guess, but you said he seems to play pretty tight. My guess is a smaller pocket pair that hopes to pick off your AK, an AK hoping to chop, or a KQs that missed it's straight. I'm leaning heavily towards a small pair the way it played out.

27offsooot · #13 08-28-2005, 08:08 PM

Either c/c or c/f. I think that the way u played it, it is pretty obvious to rational opponents that u are checking with the intention of calling, so I don't know how often u will get bluffed at. However, if he has 88/99, he may be retarded and bluff at it, so sure, go ahead and call the bet depending on reads. I think betting here though is a mistake, because u're not getting called by 8 or 9 high and other than A5, it's hard to give opponent an A that he'll call u down with.

W. Deranged · #14 08-28-2005, 08:53 PM

Check. Shuffle. Vomit in mouth a little. Call.

I think the argument that you would be missing too many value calls from A high here is not particularly convincing. Unless villain is a known maniac, I don't really see A high often here. AK and AQ are the most likely hand to be raising the flop that you are still ahead of, and those might have reraised pre-flop.

Plus (perhaps most importantly) I think are often as likely to get A high to bet by checking as you are to get it to call by betting. So I don't think you lose that much.

Any line here that advocates possibly putting in two bets on the river here is total spewing in my opinion. Betting here and calling a raise is reckless poker.

I think an argument can be made for check-folding against some opponents but not an unknown, since many will in fact bet A high thinking it's the best hand or bluff the obvious river scare card.

gaming_mouse · #15 08-28-2005, 08:59 PM

This is an easy c/fold.
Bet/fold is the second best line.
c/calling is terrible.

27offsooot · #16 08-28-2005, 09:31 PM

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This is an easy c/fold.
Bet/fold is the second best line.
c/calling is terrible.

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Considering the disagreement, u might want to provide a reason.

W. Deranged · #17 08-28-2005, 09:36 PM

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This is an easy c/fold.
Bet/fold is the second best line.
c/calling is terrible.

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I really have a very hard time seeing why check-call is "terrible" here.

toss · #18 08-28-2005, 09:40 PM

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This is an easy c/fold.
Bet/fold is the second best line.
c/calling is terrible.

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I really have a very hard time seeing why check-call is "terrible" here.

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I guess he feels a J or T is highly likely given read of villain and the raise on the flop.

baronzeus · #19 08-28-2005, 09:41 PM

check fold is absolutely horrible when a decent player raises AK and AQ on this flop.

W. Deranged · #20 08-28-2005, 09:42 PM

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This is an easy c/fold.
Bet/fold is the second best line.
c/calling is terrible.

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I really have a very hard time seeing why check-call is "terrible" here.

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I guess he feels a J or T is highly likely given read of villain and the raise on the flop.

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I agree with that but that does not explain why bet-folding is so much better than check-calling (it is not, in my opinion, and I don't think it's that close).