25/50 AA line... - Page 4

radioheadfan · #31 08-01-2005, 01:05 AM

Given the board, there's 1 combo of AA out there, 3 combos of QQ, and 6 of KK. So if you think his flop check is just as likely to mean KK as it is QQ, then you gotta plan for the river under the assumption that he has KK. I like betting out 1K and considering a muck if he pushes.

DOTTT · #32 08-01-2005, 01:40 AM

I like checking to induce a bluff. I hate to bet this on the end. If you feel he'll play KK,QQ the same way on the flop then I think this is the best line to take. Unless you have previous knowledge he slow plays monsters, I go with the check call line.

mgsimpleton · #33 08-01-2005, 01:44 AM

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I like checking to induce a bluff. I hate to bet this on the end. If you feel he'll play KK,QQ the same way on the flop then I think this is the best line to take. Unless you have previous knowledge he slow plays monsters, I go with the check call line.

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what hand is he bluffing with here? a rock didn't call the turn with AK so since we said AA, QQ, KK if hero checks villain is never bluffing. if you really think you will fold to a push and be confident you are beat i like a 1k bet, but since i am never confident i can do that in this situation in this big a pot, i much prefer a push.

DOTTT · #34 08-01-2005, 01:57 AM

When I say bluff I don't mean a complete bluff, more like inducing a bluff from a good hand like JJ, or maybe even AQ? Since he'll bet KK on the river most of the time we just save some money by check/calling instead of having to bet and call a raise for the rest of our stack when he has QQ.

flawless_victory · #35 08-01-2005, 02:11 AM

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When I say bluff I don't mean a complete bluff, more like inducing a bluff from a good hand like JJ, or maybe even AQ? Since he'll bet KK on the river most of the time we just save some money by check/calling instead of having to bet and call a raise for the rest of our stack when he has QQ.

[/ QUOTE ]you have obviously not played alot on the net...
if we check and he bets, you might as well fold. he has QQ. period.
i think the chances it will go checkcheck if hero checks it is veryvery high, and that is why we need to bet for value.

AZK · #36 08-01-2005, 02:52 AM

I do not think this opponent, nor most, will bet if I check (Unless he has QQ).

AZK · #37 08-01-2005, 03:04 AM

I can't see how any bet I make isn't committing on the end given my turn bet, pot size, stack size.

Anyone play the turn different? Check turn, lead river?

KK or QQ has to bet the turn here, doesn't it?

AEKDBet · #38 08-01-2005, 03:13 AM

Hi AZK,

It's a problem that by the river you still haven't defined your opponent's holdings.

While rock's call prob narrows his holdings down to KK, QQ, JJ/AA...

Leading the flop / betting more on the turn gives you more information to your opponents holdings. You'll be able to extract more from KK, and lose less to QQ

I think the best play now is to bet an amount so that A) KK will call, B) You can fold to a raise

(and of course I don't play this high)

fimbulwinter · #39 08-01-2005, 03:29 AM

i really like pushing preflop here.

fim

AEKDBet · #40 08-01-2005, 03:32 AM

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I can't see how any bet I make isn't committing on the end given my turn bet, pot size, stack size.

Anyone play the turn different? Check turn, lead river?

KK or QQ has to bet the turn here, doesn't it?

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I think you have to bet the turn at that point.

If you think opponent won't bet KK if you check the river couldn't you lead for 700-900 and fold to a raise? You've got 3K left on the river right?

edit - I only think leading here is good if opponent is truely a rock, betting so weakly and having to fold to a raise leaves you very vulnerable for a nice pot.