Two little pair on 5th

[rtrombone]

I brought it in. You don't muck your hand in this situation, no matter how bad, right? [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Given that I was stuck with it, what do you think about the later streets?

[Chris Nichelson]

I raise here to clear out the other callers, or fold, depending on the liveness of the 10s and 3s and also on the liveness of the Aces, Kings, and Hearts. Even one ten or three out when the better has all live cards and I will just muck it here in the multiway situation.

If anyone calls behind me or if the bettor three bets, I might consider completely shutting down or folding at the next opportunity, but generally, I am going to raise on 5, check on sixth, and call on the river in this situation.

[SittingBull]

"K" completes the bet. Even if he is playing small/medium pr with live kicker,u are in too much danger of being beaten. He still has several cards to improve his hand. And if he holds a live pocket pr., U will not be able to read him for a set if he connects. On the other hand,a player can more easily put U on a set if u obtain a pr of opened 10's. Hence,U have NO implied odds--whereas,the 'k' does. However,if u have some live BACKDOOR equity with your live T's on 4th,then it's definitely a "green light".
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OK-- U played and connected with 10's up. At this point,with live prs,I would have checked/called 5th .This strategy will cost U min loss when u have worst hand and max win when your oppon has little or nothing. Of course,folding on 6th when your oppo. improved with opened K's was an excellent move.
HappyPokering, [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
SittingBull

[rtrombone]

You have some good points regarding how obvious my hand is. But the bettor's hand is obvious, too. This guy would have completed at 3rd with split kings. He's got at best a pair of sixes. I ran this simulation on two dimes:

pokenum -mc 500000 -7s tc 3s td 2c - 6h ad 6s kc
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
3s Tc 2c Td 273583 54.72 226417 45.28 0 0.00 0.547
6s Kc Ad 6h 226417 45.28 273583 54.72 0 0.00 0.453

I'm not sure if the suits are correct and I'm just speculating as to the bettor's hand. I think all our cards were live. As you can see, even with two overcards to my pair of tens, I'm the favorite.

I can't see folding here. It seems like an incredibly weak play. Especially if a raise will get it heads up. You have the best of it. Even if he does have a pocket pair instead of the hand I'm pretty sure he had, I don't think he will catch often enough to make up for the times he does not improve and must fold at 5th. Because with something like sevens in the hole, you can't continue to chase a guy with an obvious pair of tens, right?

I don't like calling on 5th, either. Either the guy has aces up or he's getting cute. If it's the former I should fold, if it's the latter I should raise. How can calling be correct? If he has aces up I don't think I'm getting the proper odds to call a big bet. If he's drawing, I have to make him pay. If you call, do you plan to just call him on 6th and 7th, too? I have to think this plan is a money-loser in the long run.

[SittingBull]

calling on 5th,lose MIN when u do not have the best hand. Also gives u a cheap card to maybe fill on 6th. however,once u see his K's on board,it's a fold
happyPokering,
SittingBull [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]