My favorite hand of last week.

[Jorge10]

I play 1000 hands a day, so this was my favorite hand out of 6000 I played last week(I take a day off a week). Of course it didnt win the most, I had much bigger hands, its just the way I played it that I enjoyed. A little history before the hand Villan1 had just lost a big pot when he flopped trip kings and a straight was possible on the turn and he didnt lay down the trip kings to the nut straight even when the nut straight check reraised himself all in. This was about 5 hands before this one so the psychological damage was going to come into play.

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 5d 8c Qc Qd ]
papafagioli calls [$1].
Elanthus folds.
JOEPOPPY folds.
stabone79 folds.
Villan2 calls [$1].
fordtrader folds.
Villan1 calls [$1].
bucnher80 folds.
Hero calls [$0.50].
Strega checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 3c, Ac ]
Hero checks.
Strega checks.
papafagioli checks.
Villan2 checks.
Villan1 bets [$4.75].
Hero calls [$4.75].
Strega folds.
papafagioli folds.
Villan2 calls [$4.75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
Hero checks.
Villan2 checks.
Villan1 bets [$18.30].
Hero raises [$73.20].
Villan2 calls [$73.20].
Villan1 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Hero is all-In.
Villan2 calls [$15.55].
Hero shows [ 5d, 8c, Qc, Qd ] a flush, king high.
Villan2 shows [ 6c, Jc, 6d, Qs ] two pairs, jacks and threes.
Hero wins $212.05 from the main pot with a flush, king high.
There was no qualifying low hand.

When I saw the turn I knew checking was the correct move because if I bet anyone that had been betting would just call me down and it would do nothing. But when I checked I started having second thoughts, why just call? This guy just got crushed by a straight on the turn, why not try and scare him by putting him in the same situation? And of course I went for it. This hand shows that paying attention at the table is very important, and even if I play 4 tables I am always paying attention. It also shows that sometimes a draw is strong enough to push on the turn, but I could be wrong. The turn play is very debatable, some might say, reraise? are you mad? but it was a weird situation that required a weird play. Feel free to critique because maybe it was the wrong move I just want to know, how would you guys have played this?

[Wintermute]

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I play 1000 hands a day, so this was my favorite hand out of 6000 I played last week(I take a day off a week). Of course it didnt win the most, I had much bigger hands, its just the way it played it that I enjoyed. A little history before the hand Villan1 had just lost a big pot when he flopped trip kings and a straight was possible on the turn and he didnt lay down the trip kings to the nut straight even when the nut straight check reraised himself all in. This was about 5 hands before this one so the psychological damage was going to come into play.

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 5d 8c Qc Qd ]
papafagioli calls [$1].
Elanthus folds.
JOEPOPPY folds.
stabone79 folds.
Villan2 calls [$1].
fordtrader folds.
Villan1 calls [$1].
bucnher80 folds.
Hero calls [$0.50].
Strega checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 3c, Ac ]
Hero checks.
Strega checks.
papafagioli checks.
Villan2 checks.
Villan1 bets [$4.75].
Hero calls [$4.75].
Strega folds.
papafagioli folds.
Villan2 calls [$4.75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
Hero checks.
Villan2 checks.
Villan1 bets [$18.30].
Hero raises [$73.20].
Villan2 calls [$73.20].
Villan1 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Hero is all-In.
Villan2 calls [$15.55].
Hero shows [ 5d, 8c, Qc, Qd ] a flush, king high.
Villan2 shows [ 6c, Jc, 6d, Qs ] two pairs, jacks and threes.
Hero wins $212.05 from the main pot with a flush, king high.
There was no qualifying low hand.

When I saw the turn I knew checking was the correct move because if I bet anyone that had been betting would just call me down and it would do nothing. But when I checked I started having second thoughts, why just call? This guy just got crushed by a straight on the turn, why not try and scare him by putting him in the same situation? And of course I went for it. This hand shows that paying attention at the table is very important, and even if I play 4 tables I am always paying attention. It also shows that sometimes a draw is strong enough to push on the turn, but I could be wrong. The turn play is very debatable, some might say, reraise? are you mad? but it was a weird situation that required a weird play. Feel free to critique because maybe it was the wrong move I just want to know, how would you guys have played this?



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I would've folded preflop about 50% of the time, 100% on the flop, and 80% of the time on the turn assuming I got there by calling a pot-sized bet on the flop.

You only like this hand because Villian2 not only didn't wake up with a hand that kicks you hand's ass, but called with a hand that is hopelessly dominated.

Also, don't be so sure you bluffed Villian1 off a hand that you couldn't beat given that river card... if he has anything other than a set or nut diamond draw, then you took an unnecessary risk.

All in all, I think this is a horribly-played hand gone right by the most fortuitous of circumstances... I like to post lucky junk like this at my blog as a joke, but I wouldn't advertise it as an inherently good play. (Unless it's a meta-game thing, about projecting a loose & stupid image to generate action later.)

[Jorge10]

But this is my type of hand, I like to play a lot of hands and take a lot of flops, I have no problem laying hands down when I know im beat, but my reads are usually right, both of these guys were terrible which I forgot to mention, I had been watching them. You fold preflop, too tight for me, I would die of boredom if I didnt take a lot flops, fold on the flop? This guy would always bet pot from late position, he kept stealing pots, not to mention he was terrible I knew my draw was good and he loved to bet in this spot with two pair or a set. The turn, fold? wow interesting, I guess im loose like that, I wanted to drive the point that he was facing the same situation that he had just lost 100 bucks to about 5 hands ago and also I had two queens, which meant no one had the straight, I was blocking it. I guess in this way you style is different, I like to see other points of view, excellent reply.

[Wintermute]

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But this is my type of hand, I like to play a lot of hands and take a lot of flops, I have no problem laying hands down when I know im beat, but my reads are usually right, both of these guys were terrible which I forgot to mention, I had been watching them. You fold preflop, too tight for me, I would die of boredom if I didnt take a lot flops

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I play relatively loose/aggressive, read some of my posts. Also, I said I would fold this PF 50% of the time. (From the SB, everywhere else it's an automatic fold.) In those situations, it's only to flop a set or a miralce nut flush. I know "your type of hand" frequently includes these big pairs from your previous posts... but that's not a bright strategy, trust me.

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, fold on the flop? This guy would always bet pot from late position, he kept stealing pots, not to mention he was terrible I knew my draw was good and he could be betting with anything.

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You know your two non-nut flush draws are good? That's like saying you know the temperature outside is 80 degrees because it's sunny.

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The turn, fold? wow interesting, I guess im loose like that, I wanted to drive the point that he was facing the same situation that he had just lost 100 bucks to about 5 hands ago and also I had two queens, which meant no one had the straight, I was blocking it.

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One of the other 2 Q's can't be in someone else's hand? Sitting right next to a T? I'm never one to worry about monsters under the bed, but I don't rule out clear possibilities out of convenience.

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I guess in this way you style is different, I like to see other points of view, excellent reply.

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We definitely do play a different style, but this was a bad hand played poorly. You were fortunate to be playing against not only idiots, but idiots with the wrong cards. Don't be persuaded by results.

[emptyshell]

Great play! You can't assume someone has an ace when an ace flops, you have better than middle pair, and a flush draw. What's more, I see no reason to think your low draw isn't good. The turn raise is a very strong, bold play. Maybe you can give me your screen name so I can sit in and watch you play for awhile?

[got0uts]

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[Jorge10]

Geez guys, why you so afraid of the what if's? Let me tell you exactly what was going through my mind. Ok preflop I was small blind, I figure 50 cents, lets catch a queen. Flop, this guy loved pushing two pair or even sets like a maniac, I figure I might hit my flush on the turn, ill check to him, he will pot with it a set ill come over the top I win its over and I get 20 bucks off him the next street. Not only that but the table was extremely good, I figured if I call I know a few people will join me with worse hands, so I figured its worth a shot.

Now the turn I remembered what had just happened to him so I check to see if anyone makes a move and nope, he bets, I figure he will lay it down instantly as soon as I raise pot is over no struggle. That pretty much happened the problem is another guy tagged along, which was a complete surprise to me, however I had a very strong draw so I figure I am not in terrible shape, I got outs. So the river delivers, and I obviously push the rest of my chips in and pick up the pot.

So the truth is I wanted to steal it from under him, but I got "caught" with my hand in the cookie jar as they say. But my outs delivered.

[Wintermute]

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Geez guys, why you so afraid of the what if's? Let me tell you exactly what was going through my mind. Ok preflop I was small blind, I figure 50 cents, lets catch a queen. Flop, this guy loved pushing two pair or even sets like a maniac, I figure I might hit my flush on the turn, ill check to him, he will pot with it a set ill come over the top I win its over and I get 20 bucks off him the next street. Not only that but the table was extremely good, I figured if I call I know a few people will join me with worse hands, so I figured its worth a shot.

Now the turn I remembered what had just happened to him so I check to see if anyone makes a move and nope, he bets, I figure he will lay it down instantly as soon as I raise pot is over no struggle. That pretty much happened the problem is another guy tagged along, which was a complete surprise to me, however I had a very strong draw so I figure I am not in terrible shape, I got outs. So the river delivers, and I obviously push the rest of my chips in and pick up the pot.

So the truth is I wanted to steal it from under him, but I got "caught" with my hand in the cookie jar as they say. But my outs delivered.

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Nice play-by-play. I'll do the color commentary...

"He did what?! Raised on the turn with a couple non-nut draws, with two players left in the hand, one of which has been betting every street? That's a stupid play, John, but it worked out here. I guess that's why they say even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while."

[Jorge10]

I guess you had to be there.

[gergery]

I'll bet $5 that an independent party sitting at the table would think going to war with a set was less terrible than going to war with this hand.

It's funny how the semi-bluffs that we make ourselves, knowing our own logic, are much better than the similar hands the villains turn over.