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89s in multi-way raised pot
Haven't been at table long but villians seem pretty typical LAG.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) converter BB ($31.60) UTG ($49.80) UTG+1 ($81.85) MP1 ($59.90) MP2 ($48.95) Hero ($45.75) Button ($59.55) SB ($12.85) Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $3, MP1 calls $3, MP2 calls $3. Flop: ($14.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $10</font>, MP2 calls $10, Hero ???? What do you do and why? |
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
who's villan? if MP1 is villan, this is very easy push.
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
They all seem fairly LAG, MP2 was more on the LP side.
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
fold. the bet was the nut flush draw, the raise was at least top pair, the cold-caller was a straight draw. too many of your outs are counterfeited and you have the low end of all the draws.
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
The only reasonable str8 draw that could call here is JK, in which case I'm drawing very live. I'm more worried about the flush draw which I believe the minraiser has. The donk leading out could have anything from bottom pair on up. You don't think pushing is an option?
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
dude, fold. as swolfe says, you are in trouble. i know they are donks, but one of them has a better flush draw. that is the end of your decision since you may have, at best 6 outs. At worst, you have 3 outs. Not a good time to get your money in, is it?
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
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fold. the bet was the nut flush draw, the raise was at least top pair, the cold-caller was a straight draw. too many of your outs are counterfeited and you have the low end of all the draws. [/ QUOTE ] i think folding is correct when flop action is heavy with deeper stacks. given inflated potsize and hero's 30%~40% equity hand with decent folding equity i think push is the correct move. more often than not, that initial better's bet says "I have a flush draw", second guy says "I have top pair, but where am I?" and your push says "roar I have over pair" they will be making a mistake folding pair hands and even if you are wrong, you have 30% equity to suck out vs sets. 40% vs top 2. on top of all that, it'll also set up your image to push with draws in which point you start pushing in the same spot with sets. |
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
I'm only in trouble if the flush draw stays in, against everything else I'm drawing very live and the pot is huge.
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
yeah, wonderful, i push with draws all the time. but not when the nut flush draw is likely to be in the hands of a bad player (killing 2 of my flush outs, and a likely call of my push) and the ass end of a gut shot (with at least 1 of my jacks likely dead).
you don't have to push every time you have a decent draw when the action says that your draws, if you hit, would likely be no good. i think that you're grossly overestimating the fold equity. |
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Re: 89s in multi-way raised pot
fold. You're probably against a higher flush draw and possibly drawing dead.
J9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or KK is my cutoff for pushing here |
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