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Re: Quick one.
In retrospect I agree, the calldown line/raise the river if board pairs is probably better against this guy. As I said, I'd only played about 1.5 hours with him and I had pegged him as weak/passive. At the time my thought process was this:
"Okay, he check raised me on the turn, he needs at least two pair for that. I beat all two pair hands, I 3-bet..." "..Whoops, he 4-bet me, he has either the nuts or very close to it. I call, and hope the board pairs AND that I'm not up against a bigger set." River bricked and I don't think he has a hand that I can beat. ================================== Later that session, I open raise from the Hijack with A6o, same player is the only caller in blinds. Flop: 8 5 4 (rainbow) he check/calls my bet Turn: 8 he check/calls my bet River: K he bets, I muck, and I overhear him telling the player next to him that he held K8 for the boat. Not sure if this was a skillful rope, or more evidence of very passive play, but probably the latter. |
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Re: Quick one.
This fold is horrible. Simply horrible.
Not just in terms of how rarely you need to be good in order for a call to be correct, but did you consider the metagame ramifications of making this fold. Everybody in the room knows you have a set, and now you've shown them you'll fold it heads-up on a relatively non-threatning board. Yuck. This river certainly presents you a difficult decision, but its close, and i'd much rather make a bet sized mistake than a BIG POT sized mistake. Making laydowns like this is hardly worth the risk of mucking the winner in a pot this big. Call lf |
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Re: Quick one.
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[ QUOTE ] Why would you call the last raise on the turn but muck the river? [/ QUOTE ] Because I was pretty sure he had turned a straight, and I wanted to see if I could fill up. [/ QUOTE ] so why 3 bet his c'r? -Barron |
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Re: Quick one.
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so why 3 bet his c'r? -Barron [/ QUOTE ] Because it wasn't until the moment he 4-bet in tempo that I realized the strength of his hand, see my post above regarding my thoughts during the hand. Also, I understand that there are metagame consequences to folding what appears to be a strong hand on the end, and that may sway a close decision. But with respect to the hand itself, I really thought I was beat, and isn't saving bets here and there based on specific reads part of where a good player's edge comes from? I guess its hard to be 100% sure, but I'd say I was at least 95% sure I held a loser on the river, and even with the pot size at 13BB or so, that is enough to warrant a fold, right. |
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Re: Quick one.
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If you think you need to make this kind of laydown, you should do it on the turn, not the river. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I didn't notice there was a straight possibility on board. |
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