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Old 06-24-2003, 10:49 PM
thwang99 thwang99 is offline
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Default When do you guys fold the flopped nut straight?

Online 2/4, loosey goosey calling station aggressive table.

I'm UTG+1. UTG limps, I limp with 9d8d. One fold, and button raises, everyone calls. 8 to the flop of:

6dTh7s!!!!!!!!!!

To my right bets, DAMN, I call cause I want everyone in. Everyone calls.

Turn: 6dTh7s 7h

My right bets again, again I just call (mistake #2?)

CO raises , PFR reraises, SB (will be called LA from now on, he plays anything and is overaggressive) raises.

I suspect someone is full, LA has a 7. uggg, I call the 2 bets cold (HERE IS WHERE I SERIOSULY THOUGHT OF FOLDING). CO caps. Keep in mind we have 7 players now. JUST ONE PLAYER FOLDED!!!!

River a 6dTh7s 7h 3d.

LA bets, I call, CO raises, PRF FOLDS??????? LA calls, I reluctantly call. If I folded I would have saved myself $12. Does anyone fold here? Pot was $162, or 40Big BETS!!!!

LA had J7o for turned trips. CO had TT for nut full.

- Tony
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Old 06-24-2003, 11:03 PM
mvernon851 mvernon851 is offline
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Default Re: When do you guys fold the flopped nut straight?

Hi. Before my thought on your question let me offer a couple of observations.

1. In an aggressive game calling UTG+1 is not something I would do. Any raise pre-flop blows your odds with 98s.
2. After the dream flop with a bet in front there were 17 small bets in the pot. This is plenty of money to start knocking people out. I would raise here to increase the chance of winning the pot.

That said, with all those bets in the pot it would have been hard for me to fold. I'd have to read the players putting in the raise. If they are all maniacs who knows what they had? Any solid players putting in a bunch of raises though might make me drop.
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Old 06-24-2003, 11:28 PM
SoCalPat SoCalPat is offline
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Default Re: When do you guys fold the flopped nut straight?

You blew it on the flop. Unless I'm holding the nut boat or better, there's no way I'm letting this many people see cards cheaply. There's 8 players to the flop. You trying to bust 'em all in one hand or something? You don't want 8 seeing the turn ... unless they're sheep or you're a masochist.

Only the weakest of weak/tight players will immediately give you credit for holding 89. And anyone with any sort of hand (trips, overpair, 2 pair) will likely re-raise you, and you'll get a player or two with just overcards along for the ride, merrily charging them a heavy price along the way to draw. You yourself said it was a loose table.

Had you reraised the turn, you could have folded with a clear conscience on the river against further aggression.

On the river, given your play to this point, you have to call. It's not out of the question for the remaining two players to be holding nothing but the two remaining 7s. With the pot this huge, it's something I'm willing to check out.
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Old 06-25-2003, 08:01 AM
Ed Miller Ed Miller is offline
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Default Re: When do you guys fold the flopped nut straight?

I would have raised the flop. The pot is already quite large preflop... your hand is strong, but no rockcrusher (as you found out). Stop slowplaying medium-strength hands in large multiway pots. Not that it would have affected the outcome of this hand... but your thinking on the flop here is very poor.
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