Interesting 7CSFAP Fifth Street Play

[blumpkin22]

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BeerMoney: A K 5___brings-in___calls

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Puke.

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Andy, I do stuff like this cause I figure you'd appreciate it, and the forum would as well.

There were 6 2+2 people at the table, so I had a good audience for this hand.. I prefaced the 3rd street call with "who wants to see a bad beat?" I really only made the loose 3rd street call cause I knew my expert 6th street play would be a factor.

Please tell Roland, the other experienced guy, to stop trying to steal my bring in..

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Reminds me of a 2+2 holdem player named rmarotti. When fooling around at low limits he often caps the betting preflop with 4-5 suited announcing "ultra-suckout-cap" and then exclaims "i am a lucky fish, a lucky fish..." when he hits the miracle two pair on the river.

[kylma]

Just a thought related to raising in stud vs holdem in small stakes games:

I have now logged in enough practicing hours to notice a big difference in how people react to raising.. Just played at UB 1/2, for example, and I kept raising on the 5th many times against probable better hands (in order to try to get it heads up, which I would have preferred). Everyone was very passive.. SO PASSIVE, that one guy checked it down till the showdown with a STRAIGHT two times! One loose/passive guy gets pretty disgusted and starts asking me if I raise on a wrong table. I also read the other post where someone commented that people are raising their eyebrows when you make standard raises in a live game in some casino.

I think people are more used to raising in limit holdem, because of the great supply of maniacs, and also tight aggressive players.. I guess there are less of both in small stakes stud games.. Do I have any point in this thinking?

[schubes]

Do any mid-stakes players on here regularly use this play? It may be a decent semibluff on 5th, but I can't imagine getting free cards on 6th often.

A check on 6th just screams "I'm not firing a second barrel, please don't bet!" Is this play exclusively against tight passive players who see you as passive?

[Andy B]

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There were 6 2+2 people at the table

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That's a good reason to play some extra hands. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Roland]

This play has real value only if you think your opponent will fold some amount of the time. You’ll have a hard time making someone fold queens though. If I think I’m up against queens I would just call it down and check-raise when I really hit my kicker.
I do think there is a situation where this play makes sense though: If you think your opponent is semi-bluffing himself. If you play tight, people will eventually pick up on that, and might start re-raising you on 3rd with hands you can beat. So in your example, he might be in there with 77Q or something. Now if you check-raise him on 5th he’s hopefully going to fold 7s. If he doesn’t (and some won’t) that’s fine too.
Once again, though, if I think he has queens I’d just call it down.