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Nick Royale · #1 05-29-2005, 12:53 PM

SB: 25/9/2

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
Standard.

Flop: (15 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero...
Raise?

New001 · #2 05-29-2005, 12:58 PM

Folds. If you aren't already behind, you're a dog to some unmade hands, and a PFR is behind you.

karitek · #3 05-29-2005, 12:59 PM

Folds. You might have the best hand now, but it is extremely vulnerable. Any overcard or spade can leave you drawing to 2 outs. I don't see raising really protecting your hand - most overpairs (which there is a decent chance of based on pre-flop action) or flush draws will call.

brazilio · #4 05-29-2005, 01:00 PM

Huge reverse implied odds, even if you are ahead. Not to mention overcards are going to be hard-pressed to not call 2 getting around 8:1.

Nick Royale · #5 05-29-2005, 01:11 PM

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Not to mention overcards are going to be hard-pressed to not call 2 getting around 8:1.

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I'm not sure what you are saying, but calling with only overs here would be awfull getting 8:1. (and really bad getting 9:1 as in this example)

Against a range of AK/AQs/AA-TT I have 30% equity. He'll be less likely to bet out with AK/AQs but still. I will be able to dump the turn easy if I get 3-betted. My concern are the other 3 players.

brazilio · #6 05-29-2005, 01:19 PM

I didn't say they'd do anything intelligently, I'm saying high overs are going to call your flop raise because the pot's big. If you want to claim that making them make bad decisions is profitable for you, fine. But each coldcaller there reduces your equity considerably.

Harv72b · #7 05-29-2005, 01:27 PM

Actually, if you could be fairly certain that it won't be raised behind you (and I'm not sure how you could be fairly certain of that), I wouldn't mind peeling one off here. Getting 16:1 already & almost certain to be paid off by someone if you turn your 2 is close enough.

But the size of the field + the nature of the flop makes a raise too likely IMO, and this an easy flop fold. There are just too many hands out there that are justified in calling your raise (or 3-betting), not to mention the ones that will anyway.

JoshuaD · #8 05-29-2005, 01:28 PM

Easy peasy fold. Fold any pocket pair here below 6's like you've got nothing.

Nick Royale · #9 05-29-2005, 01:39 PM

I guess my feeling this might be a time to get fancy was totally wrong. Anyways, here's the results:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results:
SB has As Ad (two pair, aces and eights).
UTG+1 has 9d 3d (one pair, eights).
MP2 has 6h 7h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome: SB wins 15 BB.

New001 · #10 05-29-2005, 02:05 PM

Buddylist UTG+1. Wow.