*Official* Star Wars III thread

[jedi]

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Yet more evidence that Lucas made up the movies as he went along.

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The general storyline was created from the beginning. Obviously he made up the movies as he went along.

[Delphin]

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You are not alone, I think lots of fans know this. Since Luke is not a Jedi yet in ROTJ, the 'Return of the Jedi' is clearly referring to Anakin, but then again most people didn't get that either.

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Um no. The Jedi in "Return of the Jedi" is the Jedi order, and if you want to reduce it to one person, it would have to be Luke. The Sith believe that they have wiped out all the Jedi in the galaxy. What they don't realize is that Yoda is still in hiding and secretly training Luke. Yoda tells Luke that he will not be a Jedi Master until he faces Vader. When Yoda dies, there are no Jedi left in the galaxy.

By the end of the film, Luke confronts his father, resists the dark side, and becomes a Jedi Master in a conflict that results in the two most powerful Sith lords being destroyed. His completion of his training and defeat of the Sith salvages the near destruction of the Jedi order.

Vader was never a Jedi Master before he became a Sith Lord. Killing the Emperor was certainly a good deed and a redeeming act, but I think you would have a hard time convincing anyone that it makes him a Jedi Master.

The Return of the Jedi in my mind refers to the miraculous return of the Jedi order after they were nearly extinguished. You'll have to say a lot more than "most people didn't get that" to convince me otherwise.

[Boris]

You are too young to understand Star Wars. No one from my generation went to the most recent movies looking for deep meaningful dialogue. We just wanted movies that were as awesome as Star Wars, Empire Strike Back and Return of the Jedi.

[pshreck]

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Yet more evidence that Lucas made up the movies as he went along.

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The general storyline was created from the beginning. Obviously he made up the movies as he went along.

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I agree with a VERY general storyline being created, meaning Anakin Skywalker was good then turned bad. Everything else was filled in in the 90's.

[Duke]

This movie put a whole new spin on the lines that Leia delivers in ROTJ. The woman she thinks was her mother wasn't.

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This movie put a whole new spin on the lines that Leia delivers in ROTJ. The woman she thinks was her mother wasn't.

~D

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Haha, no. Its a plothole. When George Lucas made Ep 3 he obviously thought Amidala dying was intricate to the plot (and I thought it was a good choice), and he knew he could probably get away with the fact that it is implied that Luke and Leia's birth mother did not die during birth.

[Duke]

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You are not alone, I think lots of fans know this. Since Luke is not a Jedi yet in ROTJ, the 'Return of the Jedi' is clearly referring to Anakin, but then again most people didn't get that either.

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Um no. The Jedi in "Return of the Jedi" is the Jedi order, and if you want to reduce it to one person, it would have to be Luke. The Sith believe that they have wiped out all the Jedi in the galaxy. What they don't realize is that Yoda is still in hiding and secretly training Luke. Yoda tells Luke that he will not be a Jedi Master until he faces Vader. When Yoda dies, there are no Jedi left in the galaxy.

By the end of the film, Luke confronts his father, resists the dark side, and becomes a Jedi Master in a conflict that results in the two most powerful Sith lords being destroyed. His completion of his training and defeat of the Sith salvages the near destruction of the Jedi order.

Vader was never a Jedi Master before he became a Sith Lord. Killing the Emperor was certainly a good deed and a redeeming act, but I think you would have a hard time convincing anyone that it makes him a Jedi Master.

The Return of the Jedi in my mind refers to the miraculous return of the Jedi order after they were nearly extinguished. You'll have to say a lot more than "most people didn't get that" to convince me otherwise.

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Yes, at this juncture (barring other Star-Wars universe information) we're apparently supposed to think that Return of the Jedi refers mainly to Luke.

I think we're also supposed to see Luke himself as the balance of the force, seeing as he combines the powers the normal Jedi had with the dark side emotional superpowers - but without giving in. The earlier balance with Yoda+Obi Wan/Sidious+Vader isn't as meaningful. It's an imbalance because they're not equally matched - the dark side is stronger.

In some ways, Vader is more of a good guy than Luke could ever be.

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[faith]

Went early afternoon on the 18th (late night 17th/early morning 18th in the states) to a center seat with a theatre having only 20 people in it. Some days, it's great living in Bangkok!
Loved it! No way possible for anyone that has been waiting for this film for the past 20 years to be satisfied. But it was real close.
Everything was just on such a massive scale:
The traditional Starwars limbloss- 5 arms and 2 legs was it?
Dropping the lightsabers
Leading lady not carrying tyhe dialog (it's in leah's gene's- that's just the way their family talks Natalie really captured the essense necessary to hold that tradition)
Huge battles everywhere- guess these moveies really should be called "Starwars"

Mostly I loved the transition in the overall feeling in the movie from light to dark/industrial. Many people complained that the first two didn't have that dark feel of Hope & Empire- but of course they didn't- they started out light and gradually shifted through the second and then massively in the third. Sure the first was a bit too light/ with cheesy comedic aspecs, but change a couple alien races and the droid army and you're left with a film that introduces the SW universe quite well.
Just as many didn't like the lighter feel Jedi had when it came out. But the SW world was again shifting, whether it was intended or not, It's great that the overall feel to the movies changes along with that.

I gave it an 8... I don't think a 10 was possible with less than 3 hours- aniken needed a more gradual transition
faith

[Duke]

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This movie put a whole new spin on the lines that Leia delivers in ROTJ. The woman she thinks was her mother wasn't.

~D

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Haha, no. Its a plothole. When George Lucas made Ep 3 he obviously thought Amidala dying was intricate to the plot (and I thought it was a good choice), and he knew he could probably get away with the fact that it is implied that Luke and Leia's birth mother did not die during birth.

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So he left the hole in for a few minutes of letting the fans wonder if Vader somehow gets the "special no-death power" and then later turns against her? I prefer to take it as making the movie just a little more sad.

A whole character forgotten is depressing.

I choose to be sad about that instead of about the knowledge that he could have gotten better dialogue if he outsourced the scripting to India.

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[faith]

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6) I'm sorry, R2-D2 is just not that badass

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take it back!

R2D2's always been the most powerfull character on the show... good guys would have died every episode without r2. Of course he could womp on the two droids- he just pops out of the ships with a bit too much ease for my liking.