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6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question?
currently playing 6max, 1-2, ub.
VP$I = 18.01 PFR= 13.65 BB100= 3.75 ATSB= 20.01 This is a small sample at around 17k hands. as you can see i play super tight in the blinds. Instinctivly i find myself giving up my small blind the majority of the time, rather than play a marginal hand, out of position. I can see that this type of play could be easily exploited by aggressive sb and cutoff raisers. also have concerns that looking at blind defence from a positonal pov over an equity pov could have negative longterm implications. all of this considered does anyone think that playing this tight in the blinds, in a 1-2 game, for someone new to 6max, is a good idea? also my vp$i....... If i were to play "properly" in the blinds would this bring my vp$i closer to the 22-25 mark. please bear in mind im new to 6max. Im playing as tight as poss to while tryin to learn the nuances of the game in the hope that i can learn to play more hands profitably thanks, sd |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
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Im playing as tight as poss to while tryin to learn the nuances of the game in the hope that i can learn to play more hands profitably [/ QUOTE ] Quit it. Just play poker instead. You are way too tight both in and out of the blinds. My full ring VPIP is 2 points higher than your 6-max VPIP. |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
your right jeff.
i have seen a lot of winning players with full ring vp figures over 20% which by compariosn makes my figures look laughable. that said, im intetrested in peoples thoughts as to whether or not this could be a long term winning strategy in a low limit 6max game. Id obviously get crucified at 5-10 and above if i tried to play like this. thanks, sd |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
Take this with a huge grain of salt, as this is coming from someone who is losing at the moment.
I am becoming increasingly convinced that one should play tighter, if not less aggressive, at the lower limits. From what I hear about higher limits, the lower limits have a lot more calling stations. So bets at lower limits become value bets more than anything else. I feel like I've lost a lot of $ betting at pots, vainly hoping people will realize that they should release their bottom pairs when the board is coordinated, etc. With regard to the blinds, I think that people defend a lot more at lower limits, requiring that you have better hands with which to attempt steals. Your current stats do seem on the extreme of tightness, but I think that your basic concept of playing tight might be a winning one at 1/2 six-max. Of course, I repeat that I'm losing right now, so don't put too much stock in what I think. |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
I am a little tighter then most around here. Most of my hands I am about 21. Recently about 23. These kinds of VPIP has served me well. Some very good players are near 30. I think 26% is very normal for a good player. To me that extra 3% becomes very marginal.
Anyway 18% is too tight. Add hands gradually, search for Alobar recent post on blind stealing(about a week ago) Getting your steal rate up to over 30 will add a lot to your VPIP. |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
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With regard to the blinds, I think that people defend a lot more at lower limits, requiring that you have better hands with which to attempt steals. [/ QUOTE ] Don't you like to have position and initiative against predictable players with weak hands? |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
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Take this with a huge grain of salt, as this is coming from someone who is losing at the moment. I am becoming increasingly convinced that one should play tighter, if not less aggressive, at the lower limits. From what I hear about higher limits, the lower limits have a lot more calling stations. So bets at lower limits become value bets more than anything else. I feel like I've lost a lot of $ betting at pots, vainly hoping people will realize that they should release their bottom pairs when the board is coordinated, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't you actually want to play more hands against players who tend to make alot of mistakes postflop? [ QUOTE ] With regard to the blinds, I think that people defend a lot more at lower limits, requiring that you have better hands with which to attempt steals. [/ QUOTE ] Against someone defending too much his blinds meaning he plays bad pre-flop and given his bad post-flop play, wouldn't you prefer to raise (more as a value bet and not as steal attempt) with more hands (not crap hands of course)? Note that these are questions and I would appreciate to hear responses from other experienced 1/2 players. |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
I understand the logic of wanting to play more hands against people who play badly postflop, and the advantage of position. Perhaps I just am not playing postflop well enough.
But I think it's important to know that, unlike what I presume happens at higher limits, at lower limits you have to showdown best hand a lot. I think that factor justifies a tighter approach. |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
Wynton,
I'm on a fairly bad downswing as well, so I know what you're going through atm. You said, [ QUOTE ] So bets at lower limits become value bets more than anything else. I feel like I've lost a lot of $ betting at pots, vainly hoping people will realize that they should release their bottom pairs when the board is coordinated, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Take a look at the second sentence and see how it reconciles with the first. It sounds like you are either bluffing/semi-bluffing too much, or are simply not recognizing value bets. |
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Re: 6max noob, $1-$2, 17k hand sample, pfr% and blind defence question
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Wynton, I'm on a fairly bad downswing as well, so I know what you're going through atm. You said, [ QUOTE ] So bets at lower limits become value bets more than anything else. I feel like I've lost a lot of $ betting at pots, vainly hoping people will realize that they should release their bottom pairs when the board is coordinated, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Take a look at the second sentence and see how it reconciles with the first. It sounds like you are either bluffing/semi-bluffing too much, or are simply not recognizing value bets. [/ QUOTE ] I think you're right on both counts. I'm semi-bluffing too much, and perhaps also not recognizing value bets. But I think the semi-bluffing problem is more serious. For example, my tendency is to bet out on flush draws from ep, when flop is something like K95, two hearts. I'll bet flop and turn, just getting called each time. River brings a blank, at which point I either give up or fire one more bet, hoping that the passive caller was also on draw. Opponent usually ends up calling with something like pair of 9s or 5s. That's the kind of situation I need to rethink. |
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