Interesting hand in SH college freezeout.

[Prevaricator]

thebruiser and I disagree on how I played this hand, so lets see what others think.

3 handed - winner take all freezeout. I'll post this here because the quality of the responses in this forum is much better than others.

I am in the sb with ~T2200.
Danny ("thebruiser") is in the bb with ~T1700.
Andy ("chipmovr") is on the button with ~T2100.

Danny is very solid, very tricky, capable of making big bluffs, and folding big hands. He likes to trap with his big hands a lot though.

Andy is a bit more loose aggro. Highly capable of making big bluffs. He has been playing really fast, reraising the button with A high and small pairs.

5/10 blinds
Andy limps on the button (which I thought was very odd at the time, he had been raising a lot).
I complete in the sb with KJo.
Danny makes it 30 more in the bb. Andy calls and I call too.

[Pot=120] Flop is J54. Danny bets out 100, Andy makes it 250. What's my play?

[radioheadfan]

Raise to 750. If you get raised or get a call you might have to give it up though. If you smooth call you're giving Danny great odds to call and you're not gonna know where you stand when the turn card hits and you'll be out position for the turn and river. I'd be looking to take it down right there. Button could have anything, but by raising his raise, you put Danny in a sandwich and that's awesome because you're more worried about his hand than button's hand in my opinion. He needs a damn good hand to continue after your raise to 750.

If you don't wanna dance with these two guys in this particular spot a fold isn't that bad either.

Calling is the worst option in my opinion.

Good post.

[aggie]

I think you should be the one betting out T100 on this flop...

But as you played it, fold. Even though it's three handed and you're against aggressive opponents, you're out of position, and the pot has been bet and raised. You can reraise to 600 or so and hope everybody else folds, but i don't think the risk/reward ratio is there.

[lennytheduck]

I think fold is definitely the play (with call being the worst, as aggie stated). I know that when I start playing fast and decide to mix it up one of my favorite plays in limping a big hand from a position, like the button, where I have been raising consistently.

[theBruiser500]

by calling i get great odds to call? with what, AK? looking to hit a 6 outer with huge reverse domination going on, there are no draws out there (discounting 34 of course which no one has 96% of the time). by calling he won't know where he is? raising 500 more is a lot for information. and what can i really do unless i have top set, with that action on that board? nothing really unless i pick up some good read, i bet 100 andy raises to 250 and randy cold calls, i am scared

[LetYouDown]

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I think fold is definitely the play (with call being the worst, as aggie stated). I know that when I start playing fast and decide to mix it up one of my favorite plays in limping a big hand from a position, like the button, where I have been raising consistently.

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But most reasonable players can see right through this. Regardless, I fold and find a better spot for my money. Top pair/solid kicker is obviously extremely vulnerable in a multiway pot.

[theBruiser500]

incidentally your play strikes me as a possible very good bluffing spot. the pot is 450 back to you when you bet 600 to wi nthat 450 and someone is going to nee da stron ghand to continue here vs. you

[aggie]

So what's the argument....What did poster do and what does the bruiser reccomend?

Bruiser are you reccomending calling? If so, what's the plan for the turn (assuming you don't reraise)? You've cold-called your bet and buttons raise, now what?

[Prevaricator]

I made it 600, Danny folds QQ (!), Andy folds cheese.

Danny told me he recommends cold calling but I think its either fold or raise in that spot. I made it 600 with the intention of folding to a reraise, and giving up if danny called unless the turn was a K or J. If Andy called, I wouldn't necessarily give up since I put him on a worse jack, and he would move in with bottom two, although a set is plausible as well. I thought I had a bit of folding equity by making this play against danny in the event that he did have an overpair; He basically has to commit his whole stack to this pot if hes going to continue.

[ML4L]

Folding is EV=0 and the ABC play here. A raise is a bluff, but very well might be a positive EV play, as it's going to take a huge hand to call/reraise you with as much strength as you've shown by raising. A call sucks under most circumstances. It MIGHT be OK if doing so would scare the hell out of both of them and ensure that not another dime was being bet by either of them, even with AJ or QQ. If a call is more likely to peg you on exactly what you have, it's awful. And, if you think that you're ahead often enough that a call would be correct, then a raise is probably better.

ML4L