Another ugly hand that haunts me.

[B Dids]

AK in e-ish p. I raise, get 3 callers.

Flop comes TTx. I bet out (ick) call, call, raise. I call (??).

Turn is a J. Checked to the raiser, he bets, I call, the rest fold. (I don't have a great read, but I feel reasonably confident that my overcards are good outs here).

River K. I check, he bets, I call. (while I feel like my K might be good, I'm not wild about betting and getting 3-bet).

[chief444]

If the x gives no straight or flush possibilities then I'm getting away from this very soon after I get two calls and a raise following the flop bet.

[lil']

On the flop, the guy raised not only you (the pre-flop raiser), but several callers as well. Is there some information you didn't share, because you say you felt your overcards were good outs here, and it doesn't look that way to me.

[crunchy1]

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I don't have a great read, but I feel reasonably confident that my overcards are good outs here

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(1) - when I don't have a great read and I'm only reasonably confident that I have outs - my cards go in the middle - not my chips...

(2) - what lil' said

[jgorham]

I think you played this fine - with no draws out on the board the CO could easily be raising a pocket pair below 10's for value and to see where he stood. When you pick up your straight draw on the turn to go with your overs its an easy call.

On the river, if you felt that you could fold to a raise I would lead. This is a type of play I would make against moderatelly aggressive opponents or less. Against more aggressive opponents check/call is the way to go.

[crunchy1]

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with no draws out on the board the CO could easily be raising a pocket pair below 10's for value and to see where he stood.

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I think this is highly unlikely that a small pair < TT is raising to find out where he stands after the PF raiser leads and is called in 2 spots. Even bad players know where they stand with a small pair at this point and they don't raise - they call along trying to hit 1 of their 2 outs.

[jgorham]

Are you suggesting the only hand CO could hold is a 10?

[two_dogs]

I think it is pretty standard for the pre-flop raiser to lead out after missing the flop.In fact I woukd say it is 75% or better at the lower limits.

[crunchy1]

First off - what limit are we playing? I think B-Dids plays 2/4-3/6 so that's what I'm assuming.

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Are you suggesting the only hand CO could hold is a 10?

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Not at all. I'm suggesting that between the two flop callers and the raiser (we don't know that he's in the CO) it's likely that we're beat at this point. It's also likely that we're beat by trip T's as low-limit players love calling PF with trap hands like JT/QT/KT/AT.

I'm just hate the call here. We're only drawing to 6 outs (maybe 6.5-7 including a backdoor straight) that might not even be good if we hit. We're also not closing the action on the flop which means either of the two in-between-ers could 3-bet and that really puts Hero in a pickle.

Personally I think that this is an easy fold. Given some reads (which we don't have) I can see some justification in playing it past the flop - but if we're playing it past the flop IMO a 3-bet is in order to fold out the 2 in-between-ers, possibly gain a free river, and narrow the calling/capping opponent's hand ranges. Calling the flop raise is very weak-passive and that's not how I want to play.

[crunchy1]

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I think it is pretty standard for the pre-flop raiser to lead out after missing the flop.In fact I woukd say it is 75% or better at the lower limits.

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I don't disagree with the flop lead - you're right it's a pretty standard play. Although - if this was me - I would've taken a non-standard approach with the paired board and gone for a check-raise. If I get 3-bet it's any easy fold on a cheap street. And if I'm called I can lead the turn UI and possibly get better hands (i.e. pocket pairs < TT) to fold.