How would you, with your infinate poker wisdom, play my hand?

lawpoker · #1 02-02-2005, 01:10 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

Button (t1195)
SB (t780)
Hero (t830)
UTG (t1130)
UTG+1 (t1130)
MP1 (t2005)
MP2 (t785)
CO (t145)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 raises to t60, 1 fold, Button raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60, MP1 calls t60, MP2 calls t30.

Flop: (t465) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t150, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to t300, Button calls t300, Hero raises to t740 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t395 (All-In), Button calls t440.

Turn: (t2790) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2790) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2790

Allinlife · #2 02-02-2005, 01:14 AM

exact same way/

Daliman · #3 02-02-2005, 01:15 AM

Completely different. I'd have called the 60 more preflop, checked the flop, and when it got back around to me, facing a bet, a raise, and a flat call, I'd have gone allin.....

The Yugoslavian · #4 02-02-2005, 01:20 AM

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Completely different. I'd have called the 60 more preflop, checked the flop, and when it got back around to me, facing a bet, a raise, and a flat call, I'd have gone allin.....

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Dammit. This was going to be my line. You suck!

Although, I have to admit in the $215s I'd be folding after checking, facing a bet, raise and flat call. At the levels I play I don't fold a set of sevens on the flop... I just don't.

Yugoslav

lawpoker · #5 02-02-2005, 01:34 AM

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Completely different. I'd have called the 60 more preflop, checked the flop, and when it got back around to me, facing a bet, a raise, and a flat call, I'd have gone allin.....

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Dammit. This was going to be my line. You suck!

Although, I have to admit in the $215s I'd be folding after checking, facing a bet, raise and flat call. At the levels I play I don't fold a set of sevens on the flop... I just don't.

Yugoslav

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and the mockery begins...ok, so seriously. should i have thought twice about pushing? any thoughts of another set? or just monsters under the bed?

Daliman · #6 02-02-2005, 01:51 AM

This is pretty close to a no brainer. Sure, you might be beat, but it happens. If you only wait for the mortal nuts to go allin, you'll go like broomcorn's uncle.

Not to minimize your obvious yearning for expanded thought, but if you never fold and always raise allin with a set on the flop for your entire poker lifetime, your results will likely not be more than .0001% worse than if you took each as an individual case. Very similar to the "should I ever fold KK preflop?" question.

The Yugoslavian · #7 02-02-2005, 02:05 AM

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Completely different. I'd have called the 60 more preflop, checked the flop, and when it got back around to me, facing a bet, a raise, and a flat call, I'd have gone allin.....

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Dammit. This was going to be my line. You suck!

Although, I have to admit in the $215s I'd be folding after checking, facing a bet, raise and flat call. At the levels I play I don't fold a set of sevens on the flop... I just don't.

Yugoslav

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and the mockery begins...ok, so seriously. should i have thought twice about pushing? any thoughts of another set? or just monsters under the bed?

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Assessing the situation for a couple extra seconds before going allin is never a bad idea. That being said you should not second-guess the decision you outlined above. Daliman is right about many things. And this is no exception [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

No mockery intended really. Every once in a while we all need a 'yes, your hand is a monster you can't fold' check-up. Or better yet, I search for thread after thread of these situations and then I am *really* convinced allin is good.

Yugoslav

Barrett's Last Privateer · #8 02-02-2005, 02:15 AM

Guys,

Is the call pre-flop automatic here? I reailse both raises are min-raises, but does facing 2 of them introduce any doubt? My first inclination was probably to fold pre flop.

Obviously there are raises which would be large enough to drive a fold here, so what are the considerations when choosing how big a raise you are prepared to call? Should you be thinking about pot odds, implied odds or both? (Or is that a stupid question?)

Thanks in advance,

BLP

SuitedSixes · #9 02-02-2005, 02:20 AM

I fold pre-flop, and it's not even close.

ChrisV · #10 02-02-2005, 02:20 AM

A good rule is to call for up to 1/15th of your stack with a pair. You're paying slightly more than that here, but there are special circumstances that make this an easy call: (1) There are two raisers, which increases the chances someone will flop an overpair, or failing that TPTK with AK, when you flop a set, which means a better chance to bust someone (2) There are quite a few people in, which both increases your immediate pot odds and increases your chances of getting someone's stack when you flop a set.