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Old 01-22-2005, 05:33 PM
vapourtrail vapourtrail is offline
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Default 5/10 AA hand

I am confused especially regarding my postflop play. My plan here was to push all-in on the river (400 into an 800 pot) if a club did not fall.

I am wondering if there are other lines which may be better alternatives?

Any comments (about anything during the hand) would be appreciated, thanks...

Seat 2: LP1 (£1045 in chips)
Seat 3: LP2 (£1864 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero(£729.50 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 6: BB (£87.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Villain, MP (£854.25 in chips) (UTG+3)

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [As Ah]
Villain: raises to £40
LP1: calls £40
LP2: calls £40
Hero: calls £40
BB: calls £30
----- FLOP ----- [5c 7d 4c]
BB: checks
Villain: bets £90
LP1: folds
LP2: folds
Hero: calls £90
BB: is all-in £47.50
----- TURN ----- [5c 7d 4c][7c]
Villain: bets £100
Hero: raises to £200
Villain: calls £100
----- RIVER ----- [5c 7d 4c 7c][Jc]
Villain: checks
Hero: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Villan: shows [Tc Ts] (A Flush, Jack high)
Hero: mucks hand
BB: mucks hand
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:44 PM
Post-Oak Post-Oak is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

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I am confused especially regarding my postflop

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Huh? Your preflop play was HORRIBLE! I honestly didn't read anything beyond the point where you just flat called preflop.

Why the hell didn't you reraise there???
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

After so many callers there is no point in slow-playing preflop, you have to raise.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

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dealt to Hero [As Ah]
Villain: raises to £40
LP1: calls £40
LP2: calls £40
Hero: calls £40

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wow.

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Old 01-22-2005, 06:10 PM
vapourtrail vapourtrail is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

Hi, yes, I would agree with you that the preflop play is not very good, especially given my position and given my short stack. Ugh ... "Tricky Play Syndrome" !

But, my question is, once the preflop mistake is made, I am confused as to what is the best way to salvage the hand postflop, this is what I mean.

Thanks!
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:15 PM
tbach24 tbach24 is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

RAISE. Raise pre-flop (100 perhaps?) Raise on the flop, make a legitimate raise on the turn. No min-raises. I typically disagree with slowplaying aces on a flop without it being the nuts on a drawless board. Even then i don't slowplay because I'm aggressive.
How would you play this hand had you had a flush draw?
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

Hmm, yeah, I am thinking about it more and maybe all-in on turn is the best option (again, once the preflop action is done and over). All-in is right around a pot sized raise.

If he has AcKc, then so be it, but I think I want to freeze out something like T/Tc (well, hindsight is 20/20). Do you think most players at ths level would fold something like K/Kc?

Hmmm.
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

If you're going to freeze the action on the turn, why not go ahead and just raise the flop. I think raising the flop is much more productive. Don't give him a chance to get the nut flush (if he had AcKc) or good flush draws. But I think that maybe not a push, but a nice raise to give a flush draw bad pot odds. He has 9 out of 46 cards to hit a flush so I think raising it to about the size of 2/3 pot and then not paying off his river bet if he had called.
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:58 PM
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I KNEW when I saw the title that your hand got beat before I even read it. You didn't protect your hand enough. You had the absolute best opp. to trap people with a raise and instead you just called. If you make moves like this regularly, move down and study fundamentals again.

Not trying to be mean but that's one of the few chances you have to score an easy win.

Blackjack
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Old 01-23-2005, 08:59 AM
Arsene Lupin III Arsene Lupin III is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 AA hand

The entire hand is pretty weird. If you're going to limp preflop, which is a pretty atrocious decision in any position when it looks as if the pot is going to be played multiway, at least raise the flop to make the rest of the hand easier to play.

On the turn, you raised the absolute minimum which, IMO, is inferior to both a flat call and, more importantly, a substantial raise. The problem with raising, however, is that nearly any correct raise pretty much commits your entire stack unless a club falls on the river.

You may not even have enough in your stack to move any paint-high flush off the river, so I disagree with your speculation that a river raise may have worked..

The earlier you begin your aggression in no limit, the better. You want people to respond to your betting, not vice versa. Unless you're 99% sure that someone behind you will be raising, you need to bump this to 120-150 preflop (especially being on the button). The hand will be so much easier to play with that action and flop.

I've never played this high but I'm smart enough to not get cute with aces.
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