Bay 101 changing from button drop to rake

[cwh3]

Was over at Bay 101 tonight and they were passing out flyers explaining that on Jan 26th, they are changing over to a rake from the current button drop. Rake at 2/4 will be $3 and 4/6 through 15/30 will be $4. 20/40 and up will be a time charge.

I will like not having the 3rd force bet, I won't like the $1 increase per hand that is taken off the table.

[leykis]

I have recently been playing at the Oaks in Emeryville. I started playing there because they switched from a time charge to a rake. I think that there is an advantage to the rake at the lower limits. This is because I play very tight in these games mostly 3-6 6-12 because you pretty much have to show down the best hand to win any pot. But on the up side you will get action even if you are viewed as a very tight player because frankly, 90% of the people in the game arent even watching. I used to not like the time charge because It seemed that a very tight player will pay the same as someone who calls every pot to the river. Since I have been playing there with the rake, I have crushed the 3-6 game. They take a 3 dollar rake and 1 dollar jackpot drop at 3-6 and 6-12.

That being said, the card room makes more money with the rake. My logic is that the bad players are paying most of the rake and thus the rake is an advantage to tight aggresive players.

Is this logic flawed?

I dont play at bay 101 because of the forced button blind.

Can anyone give me an explanation of which option is better.

1) Forced BB on the button

2) Time charge

3) Rake

[edtost]

4) time pots.

[Analyst]

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Was over at Bay 101 tonight and they were passing out flyers explaining that on Jan 26th, they are changing over to a rake from the current button drop. Rake at 2/4 will be $3 and 4/6 through 15/30 will be $4. 20/40 and up will be a time charge.

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Going to a rake isn't a bad change for tight players, I guess, though the extra dollar is a pain.

With the rake, are they going to institute a "no flop, no drop" policy?

[haakee]

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With the rake, are they going to institute a "no flop, no drop" policy?

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Somehow I doubt it. FYI, I hear the time charge in the 20 game will be $7/half hour which is the same as Lucky Chances.

[J.A.Sucker]

This is a terrible move, and one driven by greed. First of all, the extra money will hurt the games badly. Secondly, the rake will tighten the games considerably as time goes on, since there's no money in the pot to steal now. The old button drop was fine, since it allowed you to play a ton of hands in the back. The drop will likely come from teh blind money in the pot. Terrible.

Time is a good idea in the 20 and above - they will be able to keep shorthanded games going now. However, this was also driven by money, since they added a 10th seat to the games. I'm sure time will be 8 bucks per half hour (though maybe it'll be 7). I also think the time will increase in the 40 game to 10 bucks and the 80 to 12. I'll go check this out the next time I'm out there.

That said, in the long run, several decisions that are being made will hurt the games.

[cwh3]

According the the flyer, it's $1 if no flop

[J.A.Sucker]

It'll be 7 until they get city approval to increase all time a buck more. You just watch.

[Analyst]

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FYI, I hear the time charge in the 20 game will be $7/half hour which is the same as Lucky Chances.

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That's not too bad, really, and may actually cost them some money. Right now, they drop $120/hour @ 40 hands/hour (and they were close to that rate even before adding the autoshufflers). They need to average almost 9 people paying time on average to match that. Am I missing something here?

[jar]

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4) time pots.

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I've seen reference to this, but never an explanation of what it was. Can someone explain it to me?