JJ 20-40

[mike l.]

"I think you'd make more money at hold'em if you incorporated a little more skp into your play."

not sure why im posting this in public but i guess im lazy.

anyway i make more at poker when im more like my natural aggressive non-cautious poker self. and i make more at poker when my away from table choices (i.e.: what table/limit to play at) are more like skp's cautious smart self.

see what im saying?

[JimmyV]

Just want to say I think this is a fantastic play. People aren't thinking enough about the fact that a turn raise truly means something in a pot like this one. And as usual those who are criticizing the fold are unable to put opponent on a hand that would stop-n-go like this given the temperament described.

There should be a mandatory comment-on-the-texture-of-the-board quiz people have to pass before calling other posters names.

Also, Mike L. is coming into his own as a poster, which is great cause he's a heck of a player too.

JimmyV

[skp]

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put "too often" or "without good reason" in between "so" and "it" and youve got a deal.

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Deal.

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...[an explanation] either way is fine with me. but there is a very short list of posters i can stand to read a sentence that starts "in general" from and you just miss the cut.

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No deal. What can I say, Mike...if after all these years of reading and dissecting each other's posts, I don't make the cut, then I see no point in trying to get on your short list at this point.

But hey...I may make it there by the end of the year...call it my new year's goal.

[mike l.]

"But hey...I may make it there by the end of the year...call it my new year's goal."

i will avoid you at the tables but look forward to meeting you away from them!

btw the short list is something like tommy, maybe snakehead, and maybe sklansky. no one else. everyone else has to be specific.

but im grateful for the dialogue. i do see what youre saying. this whole thread was a devil's advocate thing. i was looking for people who would say things that would get me to think/write/think/write/think/write/think. you cant imagine how irritated i was when like the first 4 posts were "wow mike that was great, youre really great".

edit: oh i thought when you said "make it there" you meant make it down to LA! well let this serve as a formal invite from the so cal posters to you! come and let me buy you pinks! or if you like wonderful vegetarian thalis from sweet houses we have a few GREAT ones down here.

[skp]

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btw the short list is something like tommy, maybe snakehead, and maybe sklansky. no one else. everyone else has to be specific.

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I can certainly buy that. I would be pissed if I didn't make your top 25 or something. Although I didn't make Sklansky's top 50 2+2'ers that he posted on RGP. What's worse is that he made the post about 4 years ago when there were like 55 posters on 2+2...heh...my good buddy Feeney had to remind OZ that perhaps he could find room for me on his elite list.


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edit: oh i thought when you said "make it there" you meant make it down to LA! well let this serve as a formal invite from the so cal posters to you! come and let me buy you pinks! or if you like wonderful vegetarian thalis from sweet houses we have a few GREAT ones down here.

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After a month long trip to India, I have had my fill of Thalis good as they are...make that a 10 Oz. cut with a spud and all trimmings and you have got a deal.

[BarronVangorToth]

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tommy, maybe snakehead, and maybe sklansky.

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When Tommy is listed as a definite, I'm sure David loves being listed as a maybe. (No offense, Tommy -- hopefully you know what I mean.)

As to the OTHER poster above who referenced how Mike L's posts are getting better and better -- absolutely agreed. His (along with Tommy's ... and David's) are easily amongst my favorites these days.

In general.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

[SA125]

"And you're a dick, you berate people when they do something you think is stupid, and when people disagree with your play in a respectful manner you respond like an ass"

Words that you later admitted were too strong. We all make mistakes. In mike's case, my plus and minus take on his posts is this.

On the minus side - mike posts some hands that, as Paluka correctly pointed out, if they were posted by someone else would be ridiculed. mike then defends his play by saying either his opponents sucked or he had some instinctive read that he knew (and was about 90% right) was on the money. Problem is, as Paluka said, most of us don't play against total nit wits. Bad, yeah. Secret race of retrads, no. So the play is definitely questionable.

On the plus side - mike posts hands from the highest limits of anyone in Mid stakes. His play in those high limit hands reveal an understanding of the concepts and implementing of strategies that are extremely impressive. In short, the man looks like he can play. Very, very strong and very, very well.

FWIW - On the subject of intuition, reads, and mike folding to a turn raise. Look at this. It was NL, but it makes the point. Watching the $2mil tourney on TV tonight and Chip Reese has KK and is up against Hellmuth with AA on a flop of Jxx. Reese knew he was beat, wanted to and was ready to fold, but called. He lost and knew he was beat. Great players have that sense where, even though the board says otherwise, they know when they're beat.

[Stork]

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btw the short list is something like tommy, maybe snakehead, and maybe sklansky. no one else. everyone else has to be specific.

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No Clark, Dynasty, or El Diablo? For what it's worth, my list includes those 3, yourself, and any 2+2 authors.

It's not that these are the only posters I respect, but that these posters always (usually) have something insightful to say or show through a hand example.

[CanKid]

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So after we go bet (hello) raise (hi) 3-bet (I might have something) 4-bet (I know you know I don't have to have much to check-raise and could be restealing) 5-bet (I thought you might think that, but I really do have a pair) we finally get to a point where Mike starts communicating to his opponent that he really can beat top pair. 6-bets - I have top pair or better. 7-bets I have top-pair-top-kicker, eight-eight, or better. 8-bets - I can beat that. call.

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[CanKid]

How many bets before you stop?