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#61
10-28-2004, 09:47 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
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It seemed apparent that was going to be his "improved" strategy, call and check-fold. You can see why gus does well in tournaments [/ QUOTE ] Paul, This statement leads me to believe that you do not feel confident in your ability to make the correct play after the flop. Consequently, you were probably the weaker player of the three and were correct in gambling here. I guess you didn't make a "mistake" after all. Vince 
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#63
10-28-2004, 10:37 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
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If you do not feel confident that you will make the correct play after the flop then you should by all means move-in before the flop [/ QUOTE ] OR, you should move in pre-flop if you think you can trap a hand in which you have a monster edge on (a weaker Ace, KQ, QJ) OR one where you can get him to lay it down and pick up the pot right there... There are other reasons to push in pre-flop besides a lack of confidence. Even mediocre players know that. Barron Vangor Toth www.BarronVangorToth.com
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#64
10-28-2004, 10:45 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
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You're confident playing AQ out of position against Tomko and Hansen [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Apparently Phillips isn't. Vince
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#65
10-28-2004, 10:51 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
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[ QUOTE ] It seemed apparent that was going to be his "improved" strategy, call and check-fold. You can see why gus does well in tournaments [/ QUOTE ] Paul, This statement leads me to believe that you do not feel confident in your ability to make the correct play after the flop. Consequently, you were probably the weaker player of the three and were correct in gambling here. I guess you didn't make a "mistake" after all. Vince [/ QUOTE ] This is a very stupid post. How does saying that "calling with the intention of check-folding is dumb" establish that he doesn't know how to play the flop? It seems like you have no clue how to play the flop after calling preflop, so you're trying to distract attention from that by insulting Paul's skill. Good luck with that.
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#66
10-28-2004, 10:55 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
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OR, you should move in pre-flop if you think you can trap a hand in which you have a monster edge on [/ QUOTE ] Oh. so now you believe that Philips moved in all of his chips trying to "trap" Gus with a Q,J. You know I saw Philips face when Gus called his bet. I may be wrong but he sure looked like a guy that was hoping that his opponent folded. Vince [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#67
10-28-2004, 11:16 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
The play is obviously just call or move in. Moving in is clearly better if you don't factor in the difference between second and third place. When you do factor it in it is close.
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#68
10-28-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
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It seems like you have no clue how to play the flop after calling preflop, [/ QUOTE ] What? Philips makes a "dumb" comment about playing a "check-fold" strategy after the flop (I never claimed that was how to play after the flop. It's not) and you accuse me of not having a clue how to play after the flop. Take your lips off of PP's hiney and try reading who says what in these posts. Vince [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#69
10-28-2004, 11:32 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
done trollin yet?
you advocate calling and seeing a flop, then saying that check folding wasn't your line after the flop. When you miss the flop then what are you going to do? if it's all unders you're not going to bluff hansen off of tens- i'd say from the way the hand was played that hansen played it the worst, but that is only because i'm working with full information- he probably shouldn't have taken a cointoss with phillips when he is covered and the third player is on life support. The almost guaranteed jump in prize cash makes the fold profitable. It's just a tough hand- but i don't think you can fault paul for moving in preflop- and callin him the weakest of the players 3 handed is just insane- he did not accumulate all the chips in his stack by being weak tight and pushin in every oppurtunity. i'm not kissing ass- but have some respect for a pro that has been at a few final tables and knows the game. If you can constructively criticize then feel free but throwin out insults isn't exactly worthwhile.
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#70
10-28-2004, 11:36 PM
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Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.
I agree with you David it is a close decision but I think that factoring the difference between 2nd and third sway the decision to a call.
What about Hansen's call? Hansen has been touted as a world class player. Why would a world class player opt for a coin flip at best with a possibility of being a big dog? Why would'nt he wait for a better situation to risk his chips especially considering his chip position vs Tomko's. Vince [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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