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Old 10-07-2004, 02:34 AM
kurosh kurosh is offline
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Default Good laydown?

About half an hour into the tournament.

***** Hand History for Game 1031139683 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:6333446 Level:2 Blinds (10/20) - Thursday, October 07, 02:29:02 EDT 2004
Table Thursday $5000 Guaranteed(98828) Table #15 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: betrnu ( $825 )
Seat 2: Honest_Puck ( $500 )
Seat 3: Kapone250 ( $1790 )
Seat 4: Johnny310 ( $435 )
Seat 5: mayoret ( $1280 )
Seat 6: CheckRaisa ( $1845 )
Seat 7: milfbrigade ( $880 )
Seat 8: FatalV3N0M ( $1535 )
Seat 9: kram4142 ( $895 )
Seat 10: kuroshd ( $2155 )
Trny:6333446 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kuroshd [ Jd Js ]
Kapone250 folds.
Johnny310 is all-In.
mayoret folds.
CheckRaisa folds.
milfbrigade is all-In.
FatalV3N0M calls [880].
kram4142 folds.
kuroshd folds.
betrnu folds.
Honest_Puck folds.

Good laydown? If I called and lost, I would still have over 1000 chips left with plenty of time to rebuild it. If I won, I'd get a huge chip boost and be able to bully people around for a while. What do pot odds dictate? I thought it was a good laydown then but now that I think about it, I'd be getting roughly 3:1.
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Old 10-07-2004, 05:37 AM
Jonathan Jonathan is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

I think that in this spot, its a very easy laydown.
I don't think that against 3 allins you have a 1 in 3 chance of winning this hand.

Jonathan
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Old 10-07-2004, 10:48 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

you only need to win 1 in 4. and you won't win 1 in 4. i'd be very surprised if someone didn't have QQ-AA. i'd call KK but fold QQ here.
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Old 10-07-2004, 12:34 PM
jslag jslag is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

A definite fold. It's very early in the tournament, which usually means that at least one your opponents has you dominated with AA-QQ. The short stack might be making a desperate move, but when another guys raises all-in to 880 and gets a cold caller, you know your JJ is way behind.

Did you fold it?

J.
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Old 10-07-2004, 03:17 PM
37offsuit 37offsuit is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

What about pushing over top? Just curious how that might play out, numbers wise, since if Fatal calls all in and kurosh beats him, he just about breaks even even if he lost the rest of the pot. Of course, he still has the chance to win the rest of the pot as well.

With players still to act, what does Fatal's cold call rather than over push say? I'd think he'd want to lock out any more players.
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Old 10-07-2004, 04:53 PM
cocarondelle cocarondelle is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

With 3 all ins you have to believe your jacks will not hold up unless you spike a set on the flop. I forgot the percentages that a higher card than a jack will hit the flop, but i think its above 50%. And like you said its early in the tourney [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-08-2004, 01:32 AM
kurosh kurosh is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

Results:
Johnny310 had 33
Milfbrigade had 77
FatalV3nom had KQo?????

Johnny hit a set but Milfbrigade hit a straight. I had the best hand but would've lost badly. PP people are insane. Calling TWO all-in's with KQo?! I was positive one of them had one ace at the very least.
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