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Old 06-20-2004, 06:46 PM
joker122 joker122 is offline
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Default preflop question - KQs

You have KQs on the button. Folded to unknown player who is 3 off the button and he raises.

Raise, call, or fold?
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Old 06-20-2004, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

On the button with a chance to be heads up with position? 3-bet.
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Old 06-21-2004, 06:58 AM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

I muck here.
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Old 06-21-2004, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

Joker:

I would usually fold here.

-Rico
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Old 06-21-2004, 10:23 AM
Nutz&Boltz Nutz&Boltz is offline
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

Without any read on the type of cards this player raises with, I fold.
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Old 06-21-2004, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

I think there's a big difference between 2 off the button and 3 off the button. I'd 3-bet with a lot of hands who 3-bet in LMP, but not in MP (3 off the button). So I muck. I'd only 3-bet here with AK, AQ, AA-99.
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Old 06-21-2004, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

You have KQs on the button. Folded to unknown player who is 3 off the button and he raises.
I will assume this is a typical LL table.

Are there any callers in between? are the blinds loose?

If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then I call.

My order of preference is:
1) Call
2) Fold
3) 3-bet

EDIT:
I have read all the responses and not one person asked about the players in the blinds. I dont know about you guys, but at almost all my tables at *least* one of the blinds is coming along to play and more often than not, both of them.
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Old 06-21-2004, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

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I have read all the responses and not one person asked about the players in the blinds. I dont know about you guys, but at almost all my tables at *least* one of the blinds is coming along to play and more often than not, both of them.


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the blinds don't matter. you could have preflop mind control over the blinds, telling them what to do preflop, and mucking it would still be correct.
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Old 06-21-2004, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

The player is unknown. He's doing the right thing by open raising any hand he'd play here. What could they be? I think the range is wide.

I think KQs is played call, raise, fold here with folding to an unknown player unlikely.
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Old 06-21-2004, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: preflop question - KQs

Whatever they should be doing, most LL players need nearly as good a hand to open-raise from Button+3 as from UTG.

This is a raise-or-fold situation with folding the clear choice against an unknown opponent. Calling is not good because you need to get the blinds out. You must win hands where you both miss and either he has lower cards like KJ or QJ or you bet him off an unimproved ace. You can't have the blinds grabbing those pots by making a pair of sixes or showing down pocket deuces.
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