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Old 06-08-2004, 10:58 AM
obex obex is offline
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Default Playing KK on Level 1

$50 + $5 SNG Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed)

Button (t985)
SB (t985)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t905)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t985)
MP3 (t1000)
Hero (t1140)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, MP2 calls t15, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t100, Button folds, SB folds, BB raises to t400, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls t385, MP2 calls t385...

What now? I hate to be all-in at Level 1 with anything less then KK heads-up. Way to early to be risking the tourney on anything too risky, right? Here is a likely 4-way pot, including 1 reraiser. Who lays this down to live and fight another day? Who pushes? Does anyone just call?

Painful results to follow.
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Old 06-08-2004, 11:09 AM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

Easy push. He has AA, tip your hat. He sucks out, leave. Otherwise you have a monster stack.
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Old 06-08-2004, 11:14 AM
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

Well, there is no way I'd just call. You either have to believe the BB has AA and fold or you have to push. Given that MP1 did not re-raise all in after limping initially i doubt he's trying the second hand low trick (especially since there was already a limper in front of him).

The BB has shown a lot of strength - unless he believes you were just trying to steal the pot from a couple limpers as per TPFAP, in which case he might raise with some "non-traditional" re-raising hands, ie. JJ or AK. Not playing Party that much, but thinking that there are some weakish players and players that would over play QQ and AK, and seeing that the stacks aren't super deep and given the possibility of the above TPFAP play, I'd likely push but it would be close (the probable extra equity from MP1 helps, the early stage of the tournament does not).
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Old 06-08-2004, 11:26 AM
allenciox allenciox is offline
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

Actually, I do just call. If a flop comes with an Ace on it, you can pretty well know you are beat with this crowd, and you save over half your chips. If you don't get an ace on the flop, you push then.

By raising all-in, just about everybody already betting stays in, and then you will get beat whenever an ace comes on the flop.
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Old 06-08-2004, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

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Actually, I do just call. If a flop comes with an Ace on it, you can pretty well know you are beat with this crowd, and you save over half your chips. If you don't get an ace on the flop, you push then.

By raising all-in, just about everybody already betting stays in, and then you will get beat whenever an ace comes on the flop.

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I disagree, this way you commit 40% of your stack, only to possibly fold later on in a one table satellite when you believe you are a solid favourite pre-flop (and by not folding I'm assuming you do believe this).
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Old 06-08-2004, 12:04 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

you commit 40% of your stack

This is Party. 400 is 50% of your starting stack.
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Old 06-08-2004, 12:08 PM
alieneyes alieneyes is offline
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This is Party. 400 is 50% of your starting stack.

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It is? I thought you started with 1000 at party, atleast based on the chip counts earlier thats what it seems.
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Old 06-08-2004, 12:14 PM
Colby818 Colby818 is offline
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

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you commit 40% of your stack

This is Party. 400 is 50% of your starting stack.

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This is a Party 50/5, you start at 1000. It is 40%.
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Old 06-08-2004, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: Playing KK on Level 1

The more callers of the all-in, the better.
They are probably holding each others' outs.
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Old 06-08-2004, 03:33 PM
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I thought that it was not worth the risk of being crippled early either by someone with AA or having my hand not hold up against 3 others. Surely I could play my way into the money from 900 at such an early level, right? Let a couple people get knocked out of the tourney right now while I watch from the sidelines.
So...

Hero folded.

Flop: (t1325) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets t600 (All-In)</font>, MP1 calls t600 (All-In), MP2 folds.

Turn: (t2525) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t2525) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2525
<font color="green">Main Pot: t2525 (t2525), between BB and MP1.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by BB (t2525).</font>

Results:
BB shows Jh Js (two pair, jacks and twos).
MP1 shows 5c 5h (two pair, fives and twos).
Outcome: BB wins t2525. </font>

Hero goes on to a fourth place finish.
The End.
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