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Bellagio 30-60.
My first night of playing this high, and I felt quite comfortable. I had no difficulty picking out the fish and the pros, and felt I was +EV in the game. I'm in the BB with QJo, a Doctor who is BAD limps in EP, 3 others limp as well, and I rap the table. 5 to see the flop for one bet. Is this 3/6 or 30/60? Flop is JJ7, don't remember the suits. I bet out, the Doc calls, a raise from MP and folded to me, I 3bet. The doc starts dropping chips in the middle then says "um I raise". This is disallowed as a string bet so he just calls as does MP. Doc has a Jack. Turn is some middle blank, I check, Doc bets, MP calls, I raise, Doc reraises, MP folds, I 4bet. Doc just calls. Now I've been playing with Doc a while now. and I know when he just called here he's beat. I know I'm ahead. River is a 9. I bet out and Doc raises me. I look at him and KNOW I'm beat. Its not an odds thing, its not a probability thing. I'm beat. I turn over my QJo and tap the table saying nice hand. He graciously turns over J9o for the rivered full house. Sixty bucks buys several fruit plates, even at the Bellagio. -Scott |
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I notice you check raised the turn after you had already determined the doctor had a jack.
Seeing as he had limped preflop from early position, I gather you were very confident that he wasn't holding KJ (which is exactly the hand I would most fear from him). So you must have put him on J9 or JT (I have to assume J8 is not in the equation). The nine hits the river. You bet, knowing that you'll fold to raises (J9 in this case) and get paid by the other combination (JT in this case). Do you feel that he will not bet the hand that does not fill? That seems unlikely, if he played these rags from up front in the first place. Therefore, why not guarantee yourself a showdown and check, rather than aspiring (as so many clearly do) to Angeloan heroicism? Seems you can't lose anything, and you can definitely see his cards this way. |
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"I have to assume J8 is not in the equation"
why on earth would you assume that? hero already told us that the doctor is "BAD". |
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Actually Mike L is probably right since he's so bad we can't rule out J8.. but it comes down to knowing the player alittle and there's quite a few players that will give you that uh oh call with trips there on the turn and they won't reraise your river bet without a full house....
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no you misunderstood what i said. post i replied to was talking about J8 only in terms of preflop. preflop i think the guy can have any Jx if he's "BAD" as hero said in his initial post. BAD players dont care about position nor do they care really what two cards they have, especially if theyre suited.
you took it to mean i thought the guy could have anything other than J9 on the river and given hero's description no i do not. |
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I messed that post up. I got what you meant. I was agreeing with that and then just continued on and didn't separate it and expressed it like [censored]! I should have reread it. My bad. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Its not about getting to a showdown cheaply. I need to value bet my strong hands on the river. That does of course mean some times I'm not going to win, but the extra bets I collect more than make up for the few extra I lose when I'm behind.
He might have had KJ. But I was sure he had a jack. When he didn't keep reraising the turn, I really felt I was ahead. And certainly I'm ahead of most of the hands I think he'd play that way here, but not all. So I need to keep on the heat and bet the river. But when he then raises me on the river, in spite of the previous strength I've shown, I've lost. This is an unimaginative, passive, and loose player. There is no way he's just going to raise me here with trips, even if his kicker is better. he'd only raise here with a BIG hand, a full house. Nothing less would give him the confidence to raise me again. And if I had check-called the river as you suggested, I still would have lost, and lost the same amount. Yet when I'm ahead and check he might not bet and check behind, costing me a bet. So over the long run I lose the same but make less when I'm ahead. yuk. -Scott |
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You missed his point.
Since you know he has a J. You know he is a bad player. You know he will bet the river when you check to him b/c he has trips. So why not check to him if you are planning to fold to a raise. You still make the same or lose the same regardless. |
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Good post. There aren't many people that can stop themselves from betting trips headsup on the river with a non-flush board when their opponent checks. Since we are certain he has trips, your argument has a lot of merit.
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I turn over my QJo and tap the table saying nice hand. [/ QUOTE ] The faceup big laydown. Weak. |
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