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suited connectors are not profitable unless you play them in the right conditions. these are some of the important factors when considering playing a suited connector:
- you will have the button on all 3 streets - the game isn't too aggressive - it's not likely to get raised after you limp - you are guaranteed a 5-6 way pot - your opponents play poorly post-flop if you don't full all 5 requirements, you should seriously consider mucking. do any of you really play 98s-65s regularly and turn a profit? |
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I couldn't disagree more. 97s is one of my favorite hands. I've also found that varying your play by raising preflop with no-gap suited connectors from MP or even 1-2 gappers like T7s on the button helps take down a lot of pots when the table is moderate to tight. Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table. Muck them only if there's 2 raises in front of you, and even then not necessarily, especially if you have several callers.
In fact just the other night I preflop raised from MP with 65s, nobody called by the SB..flop came AKK, checked to me, I bet, he folded. Not a big pot but it worked out. |
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Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table. [/ QUOTE ] So you want to play a drawing hand, out of position, against an aggressive opponent, for 2 bets preflop? That sounds like an awful situation. |
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[ QUOTE ] Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table. [/ QUOTE ] So you want to play a drawing hand, out of position, against an aggressive opponent, for 2 bets preflop? That sounds like an awful situation. [/ QUOTE ] Not heads up. But in a mutli-way pot, yes. Especially if medium cards come on the flop and my opponents have me on big cards. Or big cards come and they don't have them. |
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if you keep raising 97s in MP, you're going to lose all your money
the hand where you raised T7s after a tight limper with presumably loose blinds was terrible. you're remembering the times you win, but you forget that a lot of the time you're raising a limper that dominates your hand. why the hell would anyone want that? |
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if you keep raising 97s in MP, you're going to lose all your money the hand where you raised T7s after a tight limper with presumably loose blinds was terrible. you're remembering the times you win, but you forget that a lot of the time you're raising a limper that dominates your hand. why the hell would anyone want that? [/ QUOTE ] I don't do it ALL the time. Just if the situation seems right. Often I will go ahead and muck T7s and even 97s. I'm sure you realize it's all situational, and in HE it's post-flop play that really matters. (besides, T7s might be a 55-45 dog against 55, and a significant dog against QQ, and even money against Kxs or Q9, so getting 4-way action on that hand isn't necessarily a losing proposition) |
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judging from your river check holding 97 on a board of JJ77x after everyone kept checking and calling to you, you don't play well post-flop, so you DEFINITELY shouldn't be making these moves.
-EV is -EV, whether you do it occasionally or all the time. Raising 97s isn't in MP a good move unless you are against the tightest players. you are overly cocky, you think you know it all, you come here, post a hand you botched terribly, then you start talking about how making these variance moves with medium 1 and 2 gaps is a smart play. I'm really not trying to be a dick. when I came here I thought I was good. then I realized how crappy I was. hopefully you'll realize this too, because otherwise you're going to lose all your money. |
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judging from your river check holding 97 on a board of JJ77x after everyone kept checking and calling to you, you don't play well post-flop, so you DEFINITELY shouldn't be making these moves. -EV is -EV, whether you do it occasionally or all the time. Raising 97s isn't in MP a good move unless you are against the tightest players. you are overly cocky, you think you know it all, you come here, post a hand you botched terribly, then you start talking about how making these variance moves with medium 1 and 2 gaps is a smart play. I'm really not trying to be a dick. when I came here I thought I was good. then I realized how crappy I was. hopefully you'll realize this too, because otherwise you're going to lose all your money. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. That's why I posted the hand. I am somewhat of a new player and am still learning; and I still have a lot to learn I know. However, I still think that if you're a 30% favorite against what your opponants are holding but you're only putting 25% of the $$ into the pot preflop, it isn't necessarily a bad play. (or am I making a mistake in thinking that as well?) One other thing to consider - read Baldwin's section in Super/System. He mentions how in the right situation he'd cap with T9s or 98s, in addition to MP raises with suited connectors. It's where I got the idea to try it out. Not to threadjack, but it seems to me there are at least 2 different schools of thought on HE. The one espoused by S&M relies more strenuously on mathematical precepts, while others I've read proscribe a more "fluid" approach, only relying on mathematical analysis for critical decisions. Am I right? |
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I couldn't disagree more. 97s is one of my favorite hands. I've also found that varying your play by raising preflop with no-gap suited connectors from MP or even 1-2 gappers like T7s on the button helps take down a lot of pots when the table is moderate to tight. Limp expecting to call a raise at a loose-aggressive table. Muck them only if there's 2 raises in front of you, and even then not necessarily, especially if you have several callers.
I hope you are not waiting for me to defend this type of play [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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You are officially invited to any game at any limit that I am playing, just give me a ring.
That advice is some of the worst I have ever heard. If thats your style, more power to yah. But you will get spanked by Gomez's variance monster often and hard. |
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