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06-04-2004, 02:31 PM
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Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
I'm not by any means close to the best sit and go player on this forum. My numbers are not as good as some of the ones I've seen posted here. I play the $100-$200 sngs on party, and I just felt like too many people, even on here, play sit and gos without capitalizing on golden chances.
The edge in a sit and go, for me, is about stack sizes. The reason I make money, I believe, is because I always take advantage of stack sizes. Example: We are four handed. I have T3300, blinds are 200/400. I'm dealt 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the SB. Button has T2800, BB stack is around 3k and UTG has 600 or so. UTG folds, smart and sharp button raises minumum. I push, zero hesitation, both fold. I add 1200 to my stack that was not there when I started the hand. Jason, are you nuts? Perhaps. But do you know what the button will fold here? Everything except AA, KK, maybe QQ, maybe AKs. I am not a maniac, and this is the first time in the sit and go I have put up any resistance to a raise from the button. I could leave you with more examples, but my general rule is this. When you are on the bubble, you can do very well selectively challenging the big stacks in situaitons where they are very unlikely to call you with anything but monster hands. While a lot of players spend their time bullying up the short stacks (which I do a fair amount of), I concentrate for the opportunity to play back at a large stack. What is my most common finish? First. What is my second most common finish? Fourth. I believe the chances that you run into the big hand is so small, that over the long run, you will be a much more profitable player making the play I made above. I'm sure you all disagree, flame away! 
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#3
06-04-2004, 02:49 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
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We are four handed. I have T3300, blinds are 200/400. I'm dealt 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the SB. Button has T2800, BB stack is around 3k and UTG has 600 or so. [/ QUOTE ] This play alone shows that you understand the game on a level that is to the point that you will always profit from playing poker.
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#4
06-04-2004, 03:29 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
this works great untill the button shows up with KK AA etc
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#5
06-04-2004, 03:35 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
Indeed. But again, answer this question:
What percentage of hands that will raise in this spot be able to call my all in under the cirumstances? My guess is around 10%, maybe less.
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06-04-2004, 05:51 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
Next time someone does this to me i'm gonna call with any two, yeah alright mack sure you will! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#7
06-04-2004, 03:37 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
And now that I and every 2+2ers know you do pull moves like this, there will be more calls coming. There aren't that many "regulars" who play at 200. The move itself is questionable, but bragging at 2+2 forum certainly is not the smart thing to do.
> this works great untill the button shows up with KK AA etc
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#8
06-04-2004, 03:55 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
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And now that I and every 2+2ers know you do pull moves like this, there will be more calls coming. [/ QUOTE ] Welcome aboard. The whole point of this forum is to discuss "moves like this". You can say the same thing about every piece of strategy advice that is posted on every board here. [ QUOTE ] The move itself is questionable, but bragging at 2+2 forum certainly is not the smart thing to do. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this reply. I think he tries to make a point here, by giving a specific move as an example. Basically, these kinds of moves (playing your opponents, very aggressively, regardless of your cards, in the right spot with the exact timing), is indeed, IMO, what makes the difference between good-avarage players and great ones. However, this move, as posted, can not be completely analyzed here, since much of its EV is coming from Jason's read of the button (and the BB, for some extent), the previous dynamics of the game, and the over-all feel. Still, it is no doubt a +$EV move, IMO. Getting ITM and later on to HU, with as much as chips as possible, is as important as being good SH or HU players. The advantage of a big stack in late stages is something you gain yourself and is extremely useful (see Fossilman in WSOP for example), as opposed to the original stack you get. It is a sin not to use it.
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#9
06-04-2004, 07:41 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
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this works great untill the button shows up with KK AA etc [/ QUOTE ] Which, statistically, is improbable, especially 4 handed. Even so, he still has 5 cards to make a hand.
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#10
06-06-2004, 02:31 PM
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Re: Where good players have the edge in a Sit and Go.
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[ QUOTE ] this works great untill the button shows up with KK AA etc [/ QUOTE ] Which, statistically, is improbable, especially 4 handed. Even so, he still has 5 cards to make a hand. [/ QUOTE ] anything is possible on party poker. $20/2 game, 25/50 blinds. 1 person goes all in, and 4 callers. they had 33, AA, AK, KK, QQ. Yeah, the person who had the 33 was the one who went all in (me). I knew i was dead when i saw all those callers, but my jaw dropped when i saw what they had. other things that happen at party: my full house Aces gets killed by a straight flush (2 times so far) Blind having 27s and becomes a flush or better (3 times) My pocket pair turns into quads on the flop, and no callers (3 times). Party's new tagline: Where the improbable happens if you just call to the river [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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