Uh, oh, guess who has $14K after Day 1

[Easy E]

VINCENT VANPATTEN $14,400

[skaboomizzy]

<<PHILLIP HELLMUTH JR $33,350>>

There is no justice.

[B Dids]

Why? Did Phil wrong you in some way?

Everyday other people make me a bigger fan of Moneymaker and Hellmuth just with their pointless dislike of them.

[skaboomizzy]

Reading about his little temper tantrum when someone DARED to put him all-in early made me lose a bit more respect for him.

I honestly used to think that the whole "whining on-tilt" thing was just a mind game he played with the table to distract them, but now I'm not so sure.

[B Dids]

Not that I was there, or know what happened, but my guess wouldn't be that he was pissed at the player, it was that he was upset because he knew that his trips were no good.

[skaboomizzy]

From pokervoice.com...

<<London player Robert Lin went all in on Phil Hellmuth on the river. Phil loses his cool, swears,stand ups, throws his chair on the floor and storms away, folding his hand. >>

I can understand his being upset and ticked off (although with all the poker he's played you'd think he'd be used to these sort of hands), but the tantrum is just childish and doesn't accomplish anything positive.

[Sly_Grin]

pointless dislike ? I tried to remain open-minded on Hellmuth for YEARS and he finally pushed me firmly into the dislike camp. And I'm not referring to his table whining. His columns for Card Player, his interviews, his segments in the "Poker Kings" documentary - they all show the most egotistical, self centered and generally annoying person in poker.

let's look at the 2nd paragraph from his most recent column:

<< I've been very busy with the business side of poker lately: first, writing my new book (Bad Beats and Lucky Draws, due out in October); second, making a series of videos (Phil Hellmuth's Million Dollar Poker System); third, creating the new, first-class "Phil Hellmuth Chip Set" — available at philhellmuth.com — a set that includes two videos, high-quality chips, and my book Play Poker Like the Pros; fourth, representing a new cell phone hold'em game that will be released on a major carrier soon (yes, you can play hold'em on a cell phone!); fifth, signing a contract to represent the new Edge Television (a new cable station for gaming shows); sixth, playing at UltimateBet.com; seventh, selling The Madison Kid movie about my life, up to age 25, to Beacon Pictures; eighth, creating and selling my own reality show; ninth, doing my "Poker Nights" for $25,000 a night; 10th, teaching a poker class for the "Learning Annex"; and finally, talking to some very cool mainstream companies about sponsorship and a clothing line. Yikes, it's no wonder I'm so tired every day; just reading this list makes me tired! >>

He is consumed with himself. And I have news for Phil - just about everything on that list will fail miserably. No one is going to pay money to watch stuff about someone they hate. And a CLOTHING LINE ?!? ROFLMAO ! I can just hear the ads now...

"Yes, you too can look like a pasty white lump in the new line of Hellmuth action gear. Comfortable enough to sit on your butt all day playing poker, flexible enough for patting yourself on the back."

[B Dids]

Bah,

He's promoting himself. If his financially tied to all those products, it's not just bragging to promote them, it's good business sense.

It's my opinion that for anybody to consistantly do well in a competative environment you've got to be pretty high on yourself. You see it from atheletes all the time. I'm sure that one of the reasons Phil is a great poker play is because of his belief that "good things happen to him".

I'm not defending his tantrums, but I find it bizzare that people just seem to by looking for reasons to dislike him.

[PokerFox]

I honestly LOVE reading these threads. You can just see the jealously oozing from Sly grin's keyboard. It's awesome. The 'phil-bashers' are so jealous and will jump on anything to try to bring him down, while he just laughs, plays great poker, and makes a ton of money.

[SDA004]

Cmon, people hate helmuth cause he's a crybaby. I think he's a great player, and have no jealousy towards the guy at all, but I can't stand the guy. Every time he catches a bad beat he has to whine about it. Every play someone makes that he may not agree with he has to say something. I have no problem with him being self-confident, even cocky, hell he's a pro poker player, if you didnt think you were gonna win every time why would you even bother? but the fact still remains when he gets beat, whether by good play or luck, just shut up and take it. You don't see Ivey, Lederer, or any other of the elite players crying every time some one catches a bad beat on them do you?