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Old 05-18-2004, 02:44 AM
me454555 me454555 is offline
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Default Not sure how I played this flop

Party Poker 1/2 (10 handed)

No particular reads on anyone b/c they haven't done anything too interesting since I sat down.

Hero has 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and is Button

MP2 limps, CO limps, Hero limps, SB limps, UTG checks

Flop(5 SB): T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, UTG bets, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero folds, SB folds, UTG folds

I'm not really sure how I played this. After a bet and a raise, I was afraid my flush outs might not be good. I was getting 5:1 on the imidiate bet + implied odds but the bet and raise, scared me away from getting trapped.

Turn(5 BB): 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls

River(7 BB): 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 calls

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Old 05-18-2004, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

Fold pre flop, with 2 limpers you arnt really getting the oddds to play a hand like this.

What flop were you waiting for? 456 of hearts? You got your flush draw, play it. Generally a flush draw doesnt raise to shut out the entire field, so I dunno why the raise made you think flush draw.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

Why fold pre? Because he's not getting enough odds to call? His excellent position doesn't turn this hand into a limp?
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

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Why fold pre? Because he's not getting enough odds to call? His excellent position doesn't turn this hand into a limp?

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This hand plays best multyway, he's only got 2 people in the hand with him, the BB will make 3. He could very easily end up with a draw on the turn and not even have the pot odds to call it. Where is you're cut off, are you playing 34s in this spot?
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

This was a textbook limp according the hepfap
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

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He could very easily end up with a draw on the turn and not even have the pot odds to call it.

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Then he can fold. But I agree with the others that the pf limp here is fine. I think you are missing out on some money if you fold 7-8s on the button with two limpers and no raise.

How many opponents would it take for you to play this for one SB with position?
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:09 PM
Saborion Saborion is offline
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78s play best multiway, sure, but that doesn't mean it's unplayable against 2 players that limped from middle position or later. As me13546231 said, it's a textbook limp. The BB will make it 3, the SB who is very likely to call given the blind structure, will make it 4. Well enough to play 89s with excellent position in a passive game.

34s? I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, or honestly just curious, so I'll leave my sarcastic reply out. The only times I play 34s is when I get a free ride in the BB, I close the action multiway in the BB (requires quite a few cold-callers, which doesn't happen that often), completing in the SB in a 1/2 or better blind structure game. I generally never played suited connectors below 56.

Regarding the cutoff. I have 78s/89s as my personal cutoff, and I'd often fold 78s depending on how much information I have about the table and players. But on a passive table, it's playable for sure.
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Old 05-18-2004, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

I disagree that this is a fold PF.

Once you get that flop, you are going to the river.

Allan
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:17 AM
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I'm weak, but there's no way I fold that hand in that spot getting 5:1.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: Not sure how I played this flop

pf limp is fine. Flop fold is horrible, IMO.

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I was getting 5:1 on the imidiate bet + implied odds but the bet and raise, scared me away from getting trapped.

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I would be almost hoping to get trapped on the flop with 3 opponents. The raise gives you absolutely no reason to believe your flush would not be good. Besides that, two of the higher hearts are already on the board, including the Ace.
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