The problem in Iraq : Iraqis lack a sense of humor !

Cyrus · #1 05-01-2004, 04:16 AM

This is the real problem in Iraq, they just can't understand the American sense of humor. In the United States it's good, clean fun to have a guy strip you naked, put a hood over your head, tie your hands behind your back and kick your ass around the room. (Sometimes the guy will do this to you and your friends at the same time - it's jsut American "group humor".) Sometimes the guy will invite over a girl friend to take part in the fun and pose for pictures. Electical jolts to the genitals give off the most guffaws when the girls are present.

But Iraqis don't get it. They just don't get it.

My opinion? It's their backward Muslim religion that's to blame.

"60 Minutes" link

Utah · #2 05-01-2004, 09:27 AM

Pretty minor stuff really, especially compared to what happened in that country before hand. I think if you asked them if they would prefer a Saddamm acid bath or a bullet to the head versus some humiliating pictures, they would all respond, "ah, Ill take that picture thing"

This is pretty much a non-event beong blown way out of proporation. Unfortunately, this was done simply because some jackasses were cruel - which is unacceptable. However, I would have no problem if they had done this on a more systematic scale for a purpose (eg, to save american or Iraqi lives), like "you get captured and this is what you can expect"

Cyrus · #3 05-01-2004, 12:17 PM

"Pretty minor stuff really, especially compared to what happened in that country beforehand."

Oh I see. This is not then just AMERICAN HUMOR. It's also a REMINDER to the Iraqis of what was happening during Saddam's dictatorship so that Iraqis embrace ...democracy. I get it.

"This is pretty much a non-event. Unfortunately, this was done simply because some jackasses were cruel - which is unacceptable."

You are coming and going at the same time! Congratulations. Only quarks and Bush apologists are capable of that! (Either this is "minor stuff", a "non event" -- or it is "unacceptable". Can't be both at the same time. We are not in some quantum Iraq, you know. We are in the real Iraq.)

"I would have no problem if they had done this [torture and humiliation] on a more systematic scale for a purpose, like you get captured and this is what you can expect"

So you condone torture and humiliation as a MEANS TO AN END. Brilliant.

(Must be some END...)

Utah · #4 05-01-2004, 09:53 PM

Poor poor Cyrus,

You are really grasping here. You are trying to take a minor event and use it to cast blame on the entire US military and the Bush administration. You know better. Thats like taking the vile comments about Tillman by a few left nuts and using that as a basic to say that all liberals are scummy anti-american dirtbags.

So you are shocked that you have over a 100,000 soldiers in Iraq and some didnt hold themselves up to the highest standards. Shocked I tell you -shocked!!!

"This is pretty much a non-event. Unfortunately, this was done simply because some jackasses were cruel - which is unacceptable."

You are coming and going at the same time! Congratulations. Only quarks and Bush apologists are capable of that! (Either this is "minor stuff", a "non event" -- or it is "unacceptable". Can't be both at the same time. We are not in some quantum Iraq, you know. We are in the real Iraq.)

So, an event cant be unacceptable and minor at the same time? hmmmm.....

So you condone torture and humiliation as a MEANS TO AN END. Brilliant

sure, why not? We will blow people to bits as a means to an end but we wont torture them as a means to an end. Please explain the moral difference between the two?

Cyrus · #5 05-01-2004, 10:19 PM

"We will blow people to bits as a means to an end but we wont torture them as a means to an end. Please explain the moral difference between the two?"

And this from a man who says I'm "grasping"!

Yers, there is a difference between the two, even in war. I will leave you to your own devices to figure it out, maybe this will get you off this thread and save you more embarassment. (In case you haven't yet realized, you are defending torturers here.)

"So, an event cant be unacceptable and minor at the same time?"

Unacceptable is anything about which you cannot say "I don't care". Weren't you paying attention in kindergarden?

"You are shocked that you have over a 100,000 soldiers in Iraq and some didnt hold themselves up to the highest standards."

You are shocked that I am making perhaps a big deal out of this? Well it's not just me, it's about a million publications and TV stations around the world. They can't be all in the payroll of the Democratic Party! You are shocked perhaps that more soldiers did not torture Iraqis "as a means to a noble end", as you want it? Hang in there, more revelations are on the way. Or are you shocked that people don't put this "in perspective" and support the War in Iraq?

Well, here is some more proof that your War in Iraq is idiotic and criminal from beginning to end:

Coalition member-country admits intentionally killing innocent foreigners in order to score points witn America in War Against Terror

Utah · #6 05-01-2004, 11:35 PM

Yers, there is a difference between the two, even in war. I will leave you to your own devices to figure it out, maybe this will get you off this thread and save you more embarassment. (In case you haven't yet realized, you are defending torturers here.)

Ah, so you cant answer the question. I didnt figure you could since there is no moral difference really.

I am not defending torturers. I am saying that the method is morally neutral. I fail to see how how torturing someone to achieve a goal is worse than bombing the s#$^ out of them to achieve a goal (this does not mean I condone all torture as legitimate). In fact, I pretty much think all methods of warfare are morally equivelant - including flying planes into buildings. The act itself might be morally wrong - but the method is certainly legitimate.

Unacceptable is anything about which you cannot say "I don't care

weak definition at best. So, lets I call a woman a b&$#%. Unacceptable for sure. But is that as unacceptable as gunning her down in cold blood? Should both of them be covered in the local paper and should the public make as big a deal for both events?

You are shocked that I am making perhaps a big deal out of this? Well it's not just me, it's about a million publications and TV stations around the world. They can't be all in the payroll of the Democratic Party!

You know better. Oh wait - Im sorry. I forget. We live in a bias neutral news world where the goal of the world press is to simply report accurate news. Although, I find it funny, as I am sure you do, that Al Jeezera hasnt shown pictures of insurgents using woman and children as shields.

Cyrus stupid moment of the week -

The artile you post has zero to do with Iraq and the murders took place Macedonia you doofus. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

#7 05-01-2004, 05:12 PM

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Pretty minor stuff really,.. This is pretty much a non-event..

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You are so right. In fact, this thread is in the wrong forum. It needs to be in the psychology section, since it's really a topic on how even just a little power can corrupt some people (what was it, fewer than ten people who participated in these sick shenanigans?).

Cyrus · #8 05-01-2004, 09:07 PM

"This thread is in the wrong forum. It needs to be in the psychology section."

You are so right. We should taker this to the psychology forum and analyze any douchebag that would dare downplay those crimes.

"What was it, fewer than ten people who participated in these sick shenanigans?"

You mean you are glad it wasn't the whole 101st Airborn?

And if perchance you ever find yourself in the position those Iraqis were, just think of the sodomy and the pissing on your face and the electrical wires buzzing your dick as just shenanigans, like y'know Spring Break or sumthin'. Minor stuff really.

MMMMMM · #9 05-01-2004, 09:29 PM

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And if perchance you ever find yourself in the position those Iraqis were, just think of the sodomy and the pissing on your face and the electrical wires buzzing your dick as just shenanigans, like y'know Spring Break or sumthin'. Minor stuff really.

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The fact that such things offend and upset you so deeply, should cause you to be quite relieved that the USA has prevented Saddam's thuggish Baathist Party machinery from executing even worse tortures on a widespread regular basis. In fact, your deep abhorrence of such things should probably have caused you to be for the war prior to the fact, but I guess that was too much to expect.

ACPlayer · #10 05-01-2004, 10:09 PM

How perfectly illogical.

They offend and disgust because these acts are being done in your name and my name. These actions are on our behalf and with our tacit acceptance.

Saddam Hussein offends and disgusts as well. The deaths of the US soldiers and the Iraqi civilians in this war offends and disgusts, specially as there was no cause for it in the first place (at least no cause that was in our interest-- and please spare us the nonsense that we went to rescue the Iraqi's).