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How bad did I screw this one up?
This was a nice win for .25/.50 table, but I think I sold myself short:
Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players) </font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls. Turn: (9 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font> UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls. River: (13 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font> UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls. Final Pot: 15 BB A few questions: (1) I think I should have re-raised pre-flop. Would that have been the correct move? (2) Once I hit the flush on the turn, should I have avoided raising in order keep people around? |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
I think your pre-flop decision depends quite a bit on what you think of the UTG player. Is he a loose raiser, or does he seem to be reasonable? If he's a loosie you can probably re-raise. If he's not, you might consider folding. Either way, it depends a lot on your read of him.
Unless you know he's got solid raising standards, I don't think the cold-call is all that bad here. (Then again, I don't like to call EP raises with hands that can get me in trouble, and that's a real possability in this scenario. Again, it depends on how you see UTG.) Plus, the number of players between you and UTG might effect your decision also. With fewer players, I might lean toward a 3-bet. Other than the pre-flop decision I think you played the hand fine. If there were more players on the turn going for overcalls might be an option, but since it's shorthanded at that point I like the raise. Plus, if UTG has a high spade you might get to 3-bet it. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
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I think your pre-flop decision depends quite a bit on what you think of the UTG player. Is he a loose raiser, or does he seem to be reasonable? [/ QUOTE ] UTG had been playing it pretty loose. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
With only one caller inbetween you and UTG, I would re-raise if he's a loose goose and there's a reasonable chance you can knock out those behind you. (If the blinds are super loose, you have another decision to make.)
When I first read your post I saw where it said "six players", but didn't realize most of them came in behind you. Since he's been raising light and there's only caller between you, I'm changing my vote to re-raise. You might get a chance to buy the button, and be in a 3 way pot with position. Plus, raising is more fun. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
Hmm, my thoughts, for what they are worth.
It depends on the nature of the UTG player. With solid players UTG, I often fold. With your normal loose player I 3-bet it. On the flop, I usually don't raise here. If somebody has a made flush I could end up paying through the nose hoping to catch, and besides the flush draw I don't have much. I wouldn't mind the button, SB and BB sticking around, particularly if one of them gets overly excited about a weaker flush when it makes (K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in particular), and except for the flush draw I am not that excited about my hand in this situation. The play of the turn and river to me is fairly standard. This is one of those situation where I would like to have more people in the hand, particularly somebody who might put in a raise behind me. But in this situation you aren't likely to get any more money than you have already. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
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(2) Once I hit the flush on the turn, should I have avoided raising in order keep people around? [/ QUOTE ] Go back and look at the turn action, then tell me which players would have stayed in if you had just called. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
This is why posting while playing is a bad idea. I have no idea what I was thinking when I posted that.
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
You played the hand fine.
Calling an EP raise with AQ is fine if you respect the raiser or the raiser is unknown. Raising the flop against 6 opponents with the nut flush draw is ok. It would have also been ok to call to get more callers and also more people to pay you off if you hit. I think you got unlucky that no one behind you cold called and raising was the right thing to do. Its close either way Calling the turn would be a mistake with the nut flush, you must raise. So there you go, no major mistakes at all. NH. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
I wouldn't reraise with AQo preflop. In fact, depending on the game, I'd be tempted to fold.
On the turn, when the action gets to you, it's heads-up, so you didn't miss a bet by raising here. If you just call and he doesn't bet the river, you might lose a bet there. Post-flop, you played fine. |
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Re: How bad did I screw this one up?
Getting some interesting responses. I agree with the sentiment that you might very well fold AQo in this situation (I often do).
I figure I should ask a question about the EV of the flop play from the various responders. In that situation, with the players at the table, why not go for the overcall? Several players called the UTG raise, which suggests a loose table of players. In that situation, with that flop, I can't feel very good about my chances of winning without the flush. OTOH, if the flush hits it is likely to be the nuts and I want a few extra callers. To me, the overcall is my preferred play on a loose table. You really want several people hanging around with second best hands and if MP2 won't call a reraise from UTG then you are HU against the raiser with a drawing hand. Any thoughts? |
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