Not the beat, but the chatter....

[CrisBrown]

Hi All,

I did something yesterday that I hadn't done in quite awhile. I went on tilt. Uggh. Oh well. It happened.

Anyway, here's how:

I'm in a $2/4 game on Stars and holding my own, although nothing really noteworthy yet. I'm up about $80, when I get 87o in MP. I decide to change gears a bit -- I'd had a couple of big pairs earlier and hadn't played anything else since -- so I limp. LP limps. BB, with about $240, makes it $12. I figure he's got a big pair, which I like because if I hit my hand well, I can probably get his entire stack, and if I miss it I can get away cheaply. Besides, I don't limp with a hand if I'm won't be willing to call a standard open-raise. LP folds.

The flop is 2-8-7 ... perfect for me. He checks, and I bet the pot (~$32). He min-raises me, and now I'm sure he's on a high pair. I min-raise back, and sure enough, all of his chips end up in the middle.

Alas, the turn-river is 3-3, and he counterfeits two pair to take the pot with QQ. Oh well. I'd play that hand the same way again.

He said, "Ouch. Sorry."

I said, "No problem. I wanted that action, just not that outcome."

And someone else, who wasn't in the pot, chimes in: "Well, you got what you deserved, calling a raise with 87o."

I should have ignored the chirper. Instead, we proceeded to have an ongoing dialogue through the next two or three hands about why I was (or wasn't) an idiot to call a pre-flop raise with 87o. And that put me on tilt....

Anyway, it turned out to be an expensive day, but not too horrible. Certainly nothing I can't bounce back from. But I violated my own rule -- ignore poker advice given at the table -- and it cost me, and I was pretty upset with myself afterwards.

Cris

P.S. I left about a half-hour later after I made a big raise behind three limpers with KK, was called by UTG, pushed at a 5-6-7 flop with two spades, and he called me with 74s and hit an 8 for his straight. And what did the chirper say to that? "Good call. It was suited."

[Ben]

Hi Cris.

Rough break, but at least you knew recognize what happened. I've found posting my mistakes on 2+2 tends to ensure that I don't make them again.

The chirper sounds obnoxious, I'd likely block his chat and never have to deal with him again.

-Ben

P.S. The chirper a 60-37 favorite to win given that flop. Him calling your raise should earn him a nice little 'fish' note though.

[CrisBrown]

Hi Ben,

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P.S. The chirper a 60-37 favorite to win given that flop. Him calling your raise should earn him a nice little 'fish' note though.

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Yes, in the second hand my KK was a dog at the flop, given that he had a pair plus the straight and flush draws. It was clearly a mistake for me to continue it, and I knew it immediately. The chirper wasn't in that pot either, but his comment that UTG's pre-flop call was good because his 74 was suited ... *shrugs* ... at that point I figured I'd rather go read last month's grocery lists than keep playing.

Cris

[knifeandfork]

on the topic of 78o. after i read supersystem i started playing hands like this usually in late position facing limpers and raising which i think is the ideal way to play them and im still pretty sure they are negative value. i thought that suited didnt matter because an 8 high flush in my opinion of the time was no good anyway. so essentially now i only play hands like that when they are suited because they are slightly better, but more so to regulate myself from getting to far out of line. i like to raise so that if i do get to showdown my opponenets "know" i dont just raise with big hands. now more on point as we knew this ive all but quit playing them ever but in notice myself putting money in the pot with them when im slightly tilting (last night i played bad and twice noticed 89 in my hand on the flop and it cost me dearly, only a late night heads up session where 1010 busted my guy with A9 on a nine high flop saved me) so before i ramble on the essence is when i find myself playing these hands its not to vary my play its because im irritated.
=-jason

[scrub]

Supersystem is about a very different game than the one most posters on this forum play in. That's why it should come with a warning label, just like the "loose games" section in HEPFAP.

Brunson was writing about big-bet games with MUCH deeper stacks than most online games, and was writing at a time when most "strong" players were extremely weak-tight. In games like this (1) the implied odds for hands like suited connectors are much higher and (2) the deeper stacks make strong semibluffs much more powerful and also allow for meaningful betting (and bluffing) on all streets.

I feel like the most common mistakes on this forum come from players who fail to understand the various implications of stack size, both in relation to the blinds and to the sizes of other stacks at the table. About once a month, I post a link to GoG's post on stack sizes, which I think is a great starting place for players looking to sharpen their understanding of these concepts. There's plenty of great stuff in the archives--just go digging!

scrub

[tewall]

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And someone else, who wasn't in the pot, chimes in: "Well, you got what you deserved, calling a raise with 87o."

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Yeah, what were you thinking?! Now if it were suited ...

[CrisBrown]

Hi tewall,

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Yeah, what were you thinking?! Now if it were suited ...

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LOL, yes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Obviously, my brilliant plan was to hit two pair or better on the flop, get all of his money in with an overpair, and get outdrawn. And it worked, too! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Cris

[scrub]

The guy was obnoxious, but it's a pretty marginal limp.

scrub

[fourgapper]

Are you sure you weren't tilting just a wee bit limping with 87o in MP? According to Feeney, playing something questionable is the first sign of (unconscious) tilt.

4gapper

(p.s., why not raise-open your 87o?)

[UWWJAMES]

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Are you sure you weren't tilting just a wee bit limping with 87o in MP? According to Feeney, playing something questionable is the first sign of (unconscious) tilt.



4gapper

(p.s., why not raise-open your 87o?)


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Why would you raise open a 87o?

What good would it do?