3 hands for review: AJo, KJo, and AQo

joker122 · #1 04-06-2004, 06:44 PM

These were all early in their respective sessions so I have no reads.

oook...these are in order of how badly I think I played them, starting with the worst:

Hands 1:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls, BB caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (14 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Jh Ad (one pair, aces).
BB shows 9c 7c (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins 16 BB. 

Hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Jd Kc (two pair, jacks and twos).
CO shows Td Ks (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB. 

Hand 3:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ac Qs (two pair, queens and eights).
UTG+1 shows Kh Qc (two pair, queens and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB.

bisonbison · #2 04-06-2004, 07:35 PM

Hand 1: AJo. I'd 3-bet or fold here preflop. You've got bad position and you want it as few opponents as possible.

Hand 2: fold preflop. It's a 2nd best hand and you don't want to openlimp in late-middle. The rest seems pretty routine.

Hand 3: I'd 3-bet preflop. Flop checkraise is alright, but I'd either cap the flop or check-raise the turn. I think you started the calling down too soon.

sthief09 · #3 04-06-2004, 09:49 PM

hand 1: even though you are in the SB, I generally won't even play this hand unsuited.

hand 2: preflop I'd open-raise and the flop you should 3-bet and take control of the hand

hand 3: folded to me in the SB I'd 3-bet to fold the BB out and get its heads up. I'd cap the flop, or smooth call and bet into the turn. if you get raised on the turn I'd just call it down

jasonHoldEm · #4 04-06-2004, 10:09 PM

Hand 1 - against unknown opponents this is probably a preflop fold for me when facing a raise from EP, if suited I'd see a flop.

Hand 2 - If I'm going to play this hand I would almost certainly come in for a raise when I'm opening from C0+1. CO's raise on the flop could mean a lot of things, I probably bet into him again on the turn when a blank comes off.

Hand 3 - I think I'd probably three-bet or fold preflop, the reasons for 3-betting are to hopefully get the pot HU and also get some more information about the strength of my opponent's hand. AQ is a dangerous hand to play against an EP raise (especially since he has position on you), so I'd probably lean more towards folding against an unknown. I'd also probably be willing to cap the flop and bet out on the turn, if he raises the turn then I go into call down mode.

jHE

Saborion · #5 04-07-2004, 12:11 AM

I agree with this fella.

Although I wonder about hand 2. When betting out again on the turn, what to do if raised? Depends on the player, but if it's an unknown? Hence why we raise pre-flop huh?

Nottom · #6 04-06-2004, 10:11 PM

Hand 1: fold preflop.

Hand 2: Raise preflop. Either try to checkraise or 3-bet the flop and go from there.

Hand 3: I think you played this one ok.

UWWJAMES · #7 04-07-2004, 03:19 PM

Really guys...
Fold AJ off suit preflop? Why?
I'm not trying to criticize I really am interested cause
I thought that AJ is a definate play hand...at least till the flop...

jasonHoldEm · #8 04-07-2004, 07:01 PM

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Really guys...
Fold AJ off suit preflop? Why?

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Because the raise came from EP and you are out of position (although I'd probably quickly dump it anywhere when facing a raise from an unknown EP player, being out of position makes it that much more of a fold).

My opinion anyways, I'm sure others can elaborate

J

Fianchetto · #9 04-07-2004, 07:34 PM

You've got an EP raiser and a caller.
Likely hands that could be out there with a legitimate EP raise and call: AA, KK ,QQ, JJ, AK, AQ
All of which have you dominated, drawing to 3 outs or worse, and you are out of position. Worst part is that if do catch a piece of the flop you will be trapped and have to pay off all the way to find out your that hand is second best.

Kenrick · #10 04-09-2004, 12:32 AM

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Really guys...
Fold AJ off suit preflop? Why?

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Because AJo is trash when you have to call a raise with it. I'm not too fond of that third example AQo coldcalling, either. It's borderline to me, but I'd rather just muck it and save myself the bother against an EP raiser. The small blind can tempt you with its seemingly-cheap price, but being out of position against an EP raiser may wind up being expensive.