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03-23-2004, 05:50 PM
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I allways limp UTG
I think that I have developed a poker psychosis. You see a big part of my game is psychologically conditioned. You see it’s kind of a pavlonian thing. I got punished so many times raising under the gun with hands as strong as AKs, that I developed a hard rule to never raise UTG with less than QQ. Well, as unobservant as players are, I still got nervous about good players being able to mark my hand when ever I raise UTG. So, now I just limp with any starter that I figure is worth playing UTG.
I’m really curious though, on what 2+2ers do to counter balance raising UTG, and post flop play when you limp UTG with big starters. AeonBlues 
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03-23-2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: I allways limp UTG
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I’m really curious though, on what 2+2ers do to counter balance raising UTG, and post flop play when you limp UTG with big starters. AeonBlues [/ QUOTE ] I balance it by raising pre-flop. Seriously, limping under the gun with AK and JJ as a regular strategy is ridiculous. SpaceAce
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03-23-2004, 08:07 PM
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Re: I allways limp UTG
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limping under the gun with ... JJ as a regular strategy is ridiculous [/ QUOTE ] I am missing something here. Do explain. Against good players raising here isn't going to pay. By good players i mean are able to do the following: Trap with better hands preflop. Raise your flop bluff blind. Call your flop bluff blind. Reraise AK and push you off the best hand on the flop. Trap when they flop better. In a tough game the only way i could imagine being able to pull JJ in for a raise and show a profit is to have it's 'big brothers' (prize for whoever names the poster who rants about this) AA KK QQ minding it by also coming in for a raise, but by doing so you are lowering their profit.
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03-23-2004, 06:09 PM
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I just want to add....
Monitering with Pokertracker, when I raised more more more offten with hands like oh, AQs and AKo, almost never with JJ, I had a net loss for my UTG play. When I tightend up my UTG raises, I became positive when playing UTG.
AeonBlues
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03-23-2004, 08:12 PM
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Re: I just want to add....
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Monitering with Pokertracker, when I raised more more more offten with hands like oh, AQs and AKo, almost never with JJ, I had a net loss for my UTG play. When I tightend up my UTG raises, I became positive when playing UTG. AeonBlues [/ QUOTE ] I hope both of your sample sizes are at least 1 000 000 hands (i'm not kidding). In 1M hands you would have had AQs AKo hands 1.2k times UTG. Hell even two samples of 1 million hands each isn't enough here.
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#7
03-23-2004, 06:09 PM
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Re: I allways limp UTG
Seems to me if you are having problems with raising hands UTG, you are either raising with too many hands, not handling a reraise correctly, getting married to your hand post-flop and/or just playing post-flop poorly.
Occasionally limping UTG with big hands is fine but doing it always is criminal. Ken Poklitar
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#9
03-23-2004, 06:38 PM
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Re: I allways limp UTG
I dont see how this is maximizing your profit with big hands. Observant players will pick up on this just as quickly as raising only those premium hands. Do you always re-raise if there is a raise behind you? Non-observant players will pay you off anyway, might as well tie them to a pot early.
I look at strategies like this in how easy they are to counter. Observant players will see your limp UTG as a PP, AK or AQ. I would just play extremly passive againt you post-flop with position. Because the pot is small your flop bet will be smaller, and are you going to keep pushing on the turn with AK,AQ,and PP's w/overcards on board when unimproved? Just because I cant put you on AA,KK,QQ because you didnt raise pre-flop doesn't mean that information wont come out eventually in the hand, and you will have no idea where you stand in relation to my holding. This strategy might be a goldmine on PP where idiots abound, I just think it will get you killed by observant players. So I say raise it up, and of course throw in the occasional limp/re-raise for flavor.
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#10
03-23-2004, 06:50 PM
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Re: I allways limp UTG
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This strategy might be a goldmine on PP where idiots abound, I just think it will get you killed by observant players. So I say raise it up, and of course throw in the occasional limp/re-raise for flavor. [/ QUOTE ] I think you really hit the nail on the head so to speak. The key is to try to randomize your play. If I sit at a Party table long enough I can tell what other people are playing. My friends think I'm crazy to play online but then they watch me play a couple hands and they realize that you really can read other plays. A lot of players online especially are so predictable I think because they are playing a lot of tables and don't have time to randomize.
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