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#1
03-16-2004, 03:53 AM
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who takes the free card?
B&M 6/12, full table. I've been seated for three orbits. The game is loose, but not exactly a goldmine.
When this hand was dealt, I had not yet put in a chip voluntarily. (I caught some flak for folding for one chip in the SB. But then but the BB raised his aces, bet the whole way, won a really big pot with the complainer losing the most.) I'm in the CO with 44. Two limpers to me. I call, planning to check-n-fold unless I flop a set (or if the flop is ragged and everyone checks to me). The button folds. The SB completes. The BB raises. We all call. The BB has raised out of position once while I have been on the table. He had a face pair, but called to the end with an ace on board. The 2nd limper used to be a prop. Hs is tricky, plays very badly before the flop, but has seen seven billion multiway flops and has a lot of experience playing trash hands against tight young guys who raise a lot. The flop is 246 with two clubs. The raiser bets, 1st limper folds, 2nd limper raises, I three-bet, SB folds, raiser calls, 2nd limper caps, we call. At this point it's obvious that the preflop raiser has a pair between JJ and AA but isn't happy with his hand + position combo. He thinks the flop hit at least one of us hard, doesn't know how, and isn't folding. I don't like the cap bet by the 2nd limper. He isn't afraid of the preflop raiser, so it doesn't look like a medium overpair. Nut flush draw? Flush draw/pair combo draw? Trips? Made straight? Two pair? The turn is the jack of clubs, completing the flush. They both check to me. Your play. 
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#3
03-16-2004, 10:26 AM
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Re: who takes the free card?
Monster?
Middle set with a flush on the board? Not that he shouldnt bet it....Just not because its a monster JW
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#4
03-16-2004, 04:23 PM
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who goes back for more?
I agree with Josie "The Outlaw" Wales. A set shouldn't be played like the nuts with a flush on board.
I checked. I sometimes bet in that spot, but the guy who capped the flop loves to checkraise and knows I'm really aggressive. The river paired the jack on board. PFR checked, 2nd limper bet. I raised, PFR folded, 2nd limper 3-bet. Your play.
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#5
03-16-2004, 04:36 PM
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Re: who goes back for more?
You are not taking a free card, you are giving a free card. That's not good. If the 4th suited card comes on the river you will be kicking yourself. Not to mention the other free cards that can hurt you here.
Bet and call a raise on the turn.
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#6
03-16-2004, 06:16 PM
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Re: who goes back for more?
Do you need the nuts to bet the turn?
No, but I usually don't bet unless I think I'm winning or have a reasonable chance of stealing the pot. If the 4th suited card comes on the river you will be kicking yourself. No, I'll be folding.
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#7
03-16-2004, 04:37 PM
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Re: who goes back for more?
[ QUOTE ]
I agree with Josie "The Outlaw" Wales. A set shouldn't be played like the nuts with a flush on board. [/ QUOTE ] Do you need the nuts to bet the turn?
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#8
03-16-2004, 04:38 PM
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Re: who goes back for more?
I would have bet out the turn like I said. If raised I call. The jack hits I C/R and call a 3 bet.
If I checked the turn I would bet/raise any on the river. At 4 bets I would call.
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#10
03-16-2004, 05:16 PM
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Re: who goes back for more?
This is hold'em, not Cincinnatti, right? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
I would not have given the free card on the turn, but it looks like it gained you an extra bet on the river, so it worked out okay. However, if a blank hits on the river, you lose one big bet by checking the turn. If another flush card gets there (that doesn't pair the board), you will hate it when the pocket 7's w/ the 7 of clubs takes down a monster pot. I would have bet the turn, called a raise, and called any non-club non-pair river. After checking the turn, I would have raised any non-club river, and raised and reraised any paired river. I would stop at six bets.
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