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Old 03-11-2004, 12:15 AM
Styles Styles is offline
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Default Obligatory PT-Stat Question

How many hands do you lose .30BB/hand or more?

Just click on the BB/hand column until it sorts them in descending order and count them down.

My count is 9

I'm just wondering if this is average or a huge leak or what?

It seems like it is high. Thanks.
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:02 AM
DrSavage DrSavage is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

only one , 76s. Must've run some straights and flushes into full houses.
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:20 AM
MS Sunshine MS Sunshine is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

I have four at $10-20 after 16K hands. QJs(on the button&SB) is the problem), A4s(in back),KQs(upfront&SB) and surprisingly Q6s. In the BB mid-range suited connectors(98s, 78s and 67s) are something I need to look into.

Thanks for the post.

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Old 03-11-2004, 01:12 PM
Senor Choppy Senor Choppy is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

After 16k hands, you should have less than 100 examples of each hand you mentioned. It's unlikely than your results for the individual hands is entirely due to how well you're playing them.

If you felt like you were playing QJs, A4s, and KQs fine before you probably shouldn't worry, although KQs should be one of your top 15 hands so even with such a small sample it might be cause for concern.

I haven't played 10/20 on Party much, but I truly can't remember playing medium suited connectors in that limit or in 15/30. Unless you get them in late position with multiple limpers, you should be folding them without hesitation IMO.
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:28 AM
ZeeJustin ZeeJustin is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

After 32,605 hands of 6 max, 2: Q8s, and 65s (-.35 and .32 respectively). My next worst hand is K3s at -.21.
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:09 AM
MicroBob MicroBob is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

i have 11 at 12k hands (does that mean i win???).

76s is my worst at 0.92!! what??
AQs, JJ and 55 are also up there.
i'm not beating myself up too much about JJ because i remember one hand against a reckless player where i hit a flop of JTT. we capped each round and he had TT.

T3s is a little more mind-boggling at first....but i see that out of 39x with this hand i was in the blind 12x.

KTs and ATs are up there too. can we say too loose??
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:37 AM
LondonBroil LondonBroil is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

Only 3K hands but I have 12...

32s -.32
J6o -.32
JTs -.33
85s -.33
JTo -.35
96s -.37
75s -.42
QJs -.48
AQo -.55
76s -.57
99 -.67
66 -.68

Sample size is on the small side though, 64s shouldn't win 1.19BB/hand.
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:59 AM
Jim Easton Jim Easton is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

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How many hands do you lose .30BB/hand or more?


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150k hands, none lose .3 BB or more (worst is .15).
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:26 AM
stoxtrader stoxtrader is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

26k hands and I have two -

KQs. yuck. 80 times lose .58/hand
Q6s 62 times lose .42 BB/hand

I guess I better evaluate my KQs play a bit.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:44 AM
goodguy_1 goodguy_1 is offline
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Default Re: Obligatory PT-Stat Question

This is fun to look at.

22,216 LHE hands from $2-4 to $5-10.I have no hands that lose $0.30 BB/hand.5 are fairly close at -0.24-they are A6s,K2s,53s and 33.Q9s is my worst LHE hand at $-0.28 bb/hand-I may be giving to much action with suited cards in the blinds.

33,553 NLHE and PLHE hands up to $100 games.I have a whooping 15 hands that lose 30 cents or more BB/hand.Some real surprises here for me:

52s=-0.30
A6s=-0.30
T3s=-0.31
T5s=-0.34
T9s=-0.35
98s=-0.36
A8s=-0.36
QJs=-0.41
K7s=-0.45
A4s=-0.47
87s=-0.50
AJs=-0.53
QTs=-0.54
99=- 0.64
AQs=-1.84

Quite disconcerting but good to know.AQo I make 1.58 bb/hand.In NLHE suitedness is of little value for AQ or AJ even AK but this is surprising.Axs is marginal.All suited connectors in poor position can be costly ie. T9s,98s,QJs,QTs etc.

AQ is the bane of all NLHE players we know that but I'm very surprised by some of these stats.I often play suited connectors in early/mid and mid postion not just mid/late and late..this could avoid that leak.Real surprises here are AQs doing worse than AQo .AQ in general is a very tough hand in NL.This is a leak-AQs is still as crappy as AQo in NL to a raise..but I give more action with AQs not w/AQo..leak discovered.I dont call raises with it but i often get trapped against an unraised AK!!Same can be applied to AJs.Suitedness is of little value AQ or AJ hu especailly.
Kicker problems and inability to lay down hands against pressure are the cause of loses w/AQs,AJs,QJs and QTs even weak Axs.This rarely happens with KQs etc becasue I dont trap myself w/ those hands.
Should also be doing better with suited connectors:T9s,98s etc...this may be do to my eagerness to play this hands in early/mid-mid position.

Need to make some adjustments according to these numbers.Btw NL is the game where I have the highest hourly earn.This is telling me I have alot of room for improvement-thats good and bad!
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