30-60 Standard call or easy fold?

[PokerPrince]

I very rarely post any problems regarding preflop play, as I pride myself on that aspect of my game the most. This was a hand that after completion, I immediately wanted to post it and ask what you all thought.

Good 30-60 with a couple of generous fish. Surpisingly, three players limp in EP/MP. The CO, a player with tightish raising standards, raises. I'm on the button and peak down to see 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and after a few seconds, decide to make the call. Now, I cannot remember the last time I coldcalled a raise BTF before this hand came up. I was pretty sure at least one of the blinds would come along for the ride and didn't have any fear of a LimpReraise. What do you think of this call? Too loose or should I be making these more often with a few limpers and great position? Thanks.

PokerPrince

[PuffsNutz]

It depends on the #1: The range of hands the raiser will
raise 2 solid limpers with...If for example he'll only
raise AA-TT, AK...you should fold..If he'll raise
hands like AQ off...AJs,ATs, then your probably okay.

#2)Does the first limper play tight and often limp
reraise AA?

If these conditions are not perfect Id personally fold.

[wontons]

you claim if you flop a set punish everyone and ur win huge..however if the raiser does have a premium pair AA-TT they have the same odds of you to hit a set..in which case biggest pot of the night you think belongs to you well wont unless that fourth 7 comes.

[astroglide]

you have a fundamentally flawed outlook on odds. his odds of hitting a set are independent of yours.

[chesspain]

In addition, any time you're the unfortunate victim of a set-over-set you're going to lose a lot of money. No way around it.

[ALL1N]

no they're not actually.. if you hit a set then his odds are reduced by 1/3.

[astroglide]

that's a post-flop piece of trivia. preflop you both have the same odds, and the odds of set over set are not the same as the odds of flopping a single set.

[David Sklansky]

Folding is slightly wrong. The question is whether reraising is better than calling. It is when the first raiser is fairly loose and you may get it headup with him OR if you know they will all call and then check the flop.

[PokerPrince]

The three players that limped were pretty weak and not the type to limp reraise. They could all hold a wide variety of trashy hands. The raiser was one I consider to be tight in her standards for raising, meaning she probably held a hand I too would raise myself in her spot. Could be AA-99,AK,AQ,AJs,KQs and maybe even a few others in the mix. I weighed my options and decided to call and the deciding factors were this: 1. I had the button. 2. I felt one of the blinds, if not both would join the pot. 3. If I snag a set I will get paid off very nicely against this loose field. Basically a postive EV, I just don't know how much.

I did not however, consider reraising as you mentioned Mr.Sklansky. I do see some pros to this though and am trying to decide just what was the best course of action. This may be one of those hands where all three decisions are relatively close, although I'm still leaning towards a call. If there were only two limpers instead of three I would fold this hand BTW. Should that extra limper impact my action so much?

PokerPrince

[David Sklansky]

That one extra limper is just enough to take fold off the menu.