He Called Me A Fish...

[ML4L]

Hey all,

Relatively tough 10/20 5-handed table on Paradise. I probably shouldn't even be playing, but oh well... One player is sitting out, so we're 4-handed at the moment.

Solid player open-raises from the cutoff, and I three-bet on the button with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Tight player calls from the SB (uh oh?), BB folds, and cutoff calls. 3 to the flop, which comes:

J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, CO leads out, I raise my overcards, SB folds, CO calls. Turn comes:

Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He checks, I bet, he calls. River comes:

3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He checks, I bet, he calls. My hand is good. This is when he called me a fish.

I thought my play of the hand was fairly straightforward; am I wrong?

ML4L

[Diplomat]

I'd complement him on his turn and river call.

-Diplomat

[nykenny]

this is when i usually give a speech about how i lose all the time and can never beat the game and i am just there for the fun not the money and that he should be happy that i play this way and i still didn't care if i lose or not. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Diplomat]

Yes.

-Diplomat

[Diplomat]

[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

About the hand itself, I think you played it fine; I'd either fold or raise pre-flop, leaning towards folding. I don't like a cold-call here.

-Diplomat

[cero_z]

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About the hand itself, I think you played it fine; I'd either fold or raise pre-flop, leaning towards folding. I don't like a cold-call here.


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Hi Diplomat,
Did I hear you right? You would fold KQo on the button when the cutoff raises in a 4-handed game? I never fold in this spot, and virtually always re-raise. My guess is that you missed the fact that the game was short handed. If not, please explain (I'm not being sarcastic- it just would never occur to me to play this tight).

[MD_]

That play (the KQo fold) is too tight even at a ten handed table, unless the CO is very tight even in a steal position. These players are very rare.

-MD

[Diplomat]

I post too often after coming home for the night, usually with 1-5 Guiness in my belly. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I would almost always re-raise as well, given that it was 4-handed. But I would sooner fold than call in this situation.

[added thought after I posted this reply] On the other hand, given that the game was particularly tough, I'd probably fold more often than usual. Don't ask me how often, I have no idea. More often than folding I'd raise, and I'd call once in a blue moon.

-Diplomat

[J_V]

Folding is nowhere near as good as calling. Anytime i here these kind of claims where calling is the "worst" of the three options they are almost always wrong.

You'd be better off calling and raising the flop regardless than folding, IMO

[stripsqueez]

i'm a regular in this school...

3 betting is optional but i think 4 handed its a reasonably standard play - the merits of 3 betting depend a lot on what you expect the blinds to do

playing 5 max i more often than not cold call (or 3 bet) a raise with KQo - its my notional cutoff for cold calling without specific information on my opponents

the rest of the hand is terribly normal - i played this hand in this school last night as the BB after UTG raised and i called as the BB heads up - i check raised the flop that was J9x rainbow - i think that is reasonably standard too - i too hit a queen on the turn and won

stripsqueez - chickenhawk