Telling Them What You Have

tj00 · #1 11-12-2003, 12:31 AM

Party 2/4

I get dealt AA in the SB and 3 bet a raise. It gets capped pre-flop, I turn a set and win the hand. Very next hand I get black aces on the button. As the the steady stream of limpers is comming around I can't resist and type in "got AA again", and then raise. EP limper types "no way", and limp re-raises, I cap it. Flop comes rags, they check to me, and all call my bet. Turn comes ace, four call my turn bet. Two call my river bet, and my hand is good. Limp re-raiser had AK.

I don't know if my comment had any affect on them. It seemed to though. I rarely use the chat, and don't know why I even did it. Another psychologcial mystery I guess. Do any of you guys try anything like this online? What about live?

illunious · #2 11-12-2003, 02:21 AM

Isn't saying your hand against the rules? A couple of my friends scolded my when I did that, I never tried it at the casino. They related it to the "You are responsible for protecting your hand" rule.

tj00 · #3 11-12-2003, 03:44 AM

I do not know, maybe someone else will post a reply to your question.

Jeststeve · #4 11-14-2003, 01:41 PM

I have to agree that it is a usefull tactic in throwing your opponents off. Why would you tell us what you have? they think and figure you to be bluffing or whatever. Personally I don't listen when people talk about their cards because the only reason they would do it is to be deceptive. (weather they tell the truth about the hand or not.) reverse- double reverse- or even triple it's all lying to get them to do something they shouldn't. Which is what you want. The whole objective of the game is to make the right decision and get them to make the wrong one. However....

In all of the live games I've played in a casino (not home games or online), you will / should get chastised for announcing your hand. It plays into collusion. You may nopt even be talking to the fish. you may have a partner in the game. Or it's as simply as discussing the hand. I know if your not in the hand and even guess at someone elses cards they get mad at you for bringing it up. I know it happens a lot. But it is against the rules. If you can get away with it, okay. but expect to get called on it if your playing in a live casino game.

Just my thoughts.

vector · #5 11-20-2003, 10:25 PM

Put it another way; if it's ok to announce your hand, is it ok for players who have mucked to announce their hands?

You know how it goes, player A folds preflop to a raise, then says 'aww, I would have made a fullhouse on that flop'. Sometimes this can really screw up your play for the hand (for instance if you wanted to bluff, other players now can rule out one of the cards that would make a set).

I think this also opens the door for collusion in online play. Whenever someone announces their hand after they have mucked and before the play is over I ask them not to do so again (politely).

I'm not actually sure where the online rooms stand on this though? I hope it is against the rules, if for no other reason than it allows too much cover for potential colluders. (Then again they would probably just use instant messenging to talk to each other).

baggins · #6 11-21-2003, 02:16 AM

i would only use this 'ploy' headsup. then i can be sure that it is only me against one opponent. besides, i'm still in the hand, and i have a legitimate interest in the outcome of that hand. anybody who has mucked has no legitimate interest in the outcome of the hand. also, there is no strategic advantage or disadvantage due to announcing a hand that has already been mucked. talking about a hand that is still live is different.

baggins · #7 11-26-2003, 02:22 AM

i agree, except for heads up. in heads up play, there is only one person that it can hurt, and that is me. nobody else should have the option to hurt my chances by talking, and i shouldn't have the option to hurt anybody else's chances. but if it's only my stacks that are effected, then i don't have a problem with talking about my hand on occasion, if it seems to be +EV.

dsm · #8 11-19-2003, 10:06 AM

If it were against the rules, it's easy to get around simply by rephrasing. You "imply" rather than saying it directly.

Something like:

"LOL, U aren't gonna BELIEVE what I have again!!!! :O)

baggins · #9 11-12-2003, 01:22 PM

i think that is ludicrous.

of course you are responsible for protecting your hand. which means you take the consequences for *not* protecting your hand. it's your hand, for cryin out loud. if you want to give somebody the option to maximize the FTOP against you, by all means, go ahead. if you think the psychological ploy will make them call you down out of incredulity (which seems to be the case here) then by the same token, you should be able to do that.

i understand the problem with it in tournaments. but in a ring game, that's crap. tell your hand all you want.

ChipWrecked · #10 11-12-2003, 03:10 PM

Agreed. The older gentlemen I play 4/8 HE against are always talking about their hands. Sometimes they announce what they actually have, just to be tricky.