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4-way 50-100 game. Fairly decent opponents. Player utg opens with a raise, folded to me in BB and I hold A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I reraise and it's headsup to the flop.
Flop-9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I bet, he calls. Turn-9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I check, he bets, I call. River-9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet, he thinks for a few seconds and calls. My reasoning was that if I checked the turn when the Ace scarecard hits, I might induce a bluff from a hand that would normally just muck to a bet. Also, if I'm behind to a bigger Ace, I save money. The board wasn't too drawtastic so I thought this might be an ok play. Betting the river might get a curiosity call from a worse hand that would more than likely check it through. Thoughts on this play? Too fancy? Was the most money extracted? Thanks. F.Y.I.- opponent held 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. |
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Well played.
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Hey PokerPrince,
Beautifully played on every street, IMHO. The only thing that I'm curious about is what you would have done had he raised the river? ML4L |
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Short handed against this opponent in this situation I call.
PokerPrince |
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You played this hand very well but I think your opponent played it poorly. He should definitely have checkraised the flop, and his calls after the ace falls on the turn seem very weak-tight to me. If you don't play 66 aggressively when you get a flop like 943, when can you play it aggressively?
I might accept the logic that he is trying to let you dig your own grave with aggression, but even then he should get out when the ace falls on the turn. I also don't like the play as it gives you relatively cheap draws to your 6 outs. In the worst case scenario, you have a better PP and he is drawing extremely thin. |
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You can checkraise acting last now? Hmmm, must have changed the rules while I was in the washroom.
PokerPrince |
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Oops, I mistyped. I meant raise, not checkraise.
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Very nice play on this hand.
Clearly as it was you extracted the maximum. I like it as a variance play rather than a stock play, because if you routinely check the turned ace you will lose credibility to bluff that ace when you haven't paired up. Suppose you have reraised with KQ. You might want to bet the turn to lose your opponent's 66. If he remembers this hand you may not be able to. You have to consider your whole game plan rather than just how to extract the maximum number of bets on your good hands. If taking an extra bet here costs you a pot later because you can't bluff, it may not be overall optimal. |
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Some very good points Jon, thank you. I agree that this play should not be the totally standard play for all similar situations for your reasons given. I felt it did create some confusion to those who watched the hand play out which is always a good thing. I would definately have to alter my gameplan on later hands so as not to become readable or at all predictable.
PokerPrince |
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I disagree with all the other responses. If your opponent is a good player, I think you played it poorly.
Even if it's 4-handed, reraising from the BB means something. Typically a big ace or pocket pair, with sometimes KQ and the like. Now if you check on the ace, a good opponent should realize some stuff. First, you could have the big ace, looking for a check-raise or inducing a "bluff" from a worse hand. In this case your opponent absolutely doesnt want to bet. Second, you dont have the ace. From preflop read you could have a pocket pair. No way he is going to bluff you out in a 4-handed game if you have this. If your pocket pair is bigger, he wants to draw, if not, you have very little outs. Again, no reason for him to bet. You have KQ and the like. Now, ofcourse, he wants to bet. But wait...isnt the A on the turn the perfect card for you to continue bluffing at? So, likelyhood of a bluff on your side goes down. Summary: a good player will check here a lot of the times. If he holds an ace its close between betting and checking for him. He shouldnt be afraid of letting you draw and he might get (too) thin value-bets from you on the river if he checks (for instance a pocket pair while he made second best on the river). OTOH you might pay of with smaller pocket pairs the whole way. But, you might raise a better ace as well. So here it's close between checking and betting for him. So, lots of hands he should check. But if you had bet, he would likely call with lots of pairs and draws (flush, 65). If your opponent is a non-thinker who loves to bluff your play has merits. Against a good player it costs you. One reason why your play CAN be good against a good player is if he makes a second best hand after checking the turn. Then you will often get paid of. But that isnt enough to prefer checking the turn IMO. Regards |
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